Hyper Normalisation.

[Breakingthewall]

On 24/10/2026 at 11:20 AM, Sugarcoat said:

Yea I know what someone says is one thing and the presence is another and both matter. Being enlightened doesn't automatically make you be able to be the most effective teacher for the largest audience, it's also about how developed they are on human level, it's not like enlightenment unlocks all human potential just because there's no ego in the way. Also different speaking styles fit different people, so they can have very niche audience, some like more poetic some like more direct. I suspect maybe some enlightened people don't have intense presence, maybe they have instead still and quite empty presence. It depends on person, two people who are enlightened won't be the same, speak the same, have the same presence etc. 

Enlightenment is being open to the total light that reality is, to the boundless absolute that it is. It is impossible to communicate; it is life in its totality, yet it is not a "thing" or a "someone", it is the complete absence of boundaries. I have such moments occasionally, but most of the time I don’t, nor do I want to. There is human work to be done, a human life to unfold and express. Why? I don’t know; that’s just how it presents itself.

 there are people who are in totally open state all time? Maybe those yogis, it's a possibility, then maybe they have a special presence, and if you are interacting with them you get some inspiration, they drag you to the openess 

 

Edited Sunday at 11:05 PM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

On 24/10/2026 at 7:46 AM, Mellowmarsh said:

No one knows this.

 

The reading of words written , the listening of words spoken, are just words being read, written nor spoken by no one.
No one is indifferent. No one is not indifferent. No one is the universe. No one is not the universe.

 

No word is this OR every word is this.
No one is writing, no one is speaking, no one is listening, there’s just EMPTY reading.

 

 

Thoughts are schematic structures to describe the reality. Thoughts are the reality itself in the form of a thought but some are true, other false. 

One true: reality is

One false: self is an illusion. 

Why the first one is true? Because avoid any contradictions, any falsehood. 

Why the second one is false? Because it's contradictory. Affirming that self is an illusion implies categorising the self as illusory Vs real, but this implies that this categorization is real, being this categorization an structure that happens in the self. 

Do you see the difference?

Edited October 25 by Breakingthewall

[Mellowmarsh]

Yes, I see the difference, but the difference doesn’t change anything, as a finite character, my personal sandcastle will not last beyond the death of the unstoppable sun. “Split the atom's heart, and lo! Within it thou wilt find a sun"

 Here, there is a difference where there is none. See! 

[Sugarcoat]

On 2026-10-25 at 4:57 PM, Breakingthewall said:

Enlightenment is being open to the total light that reality is, to the boundless absolute that it is. It is impossible to communicate; it is life in its totality, yet it is not a "thing" or a "someone", it is the complete absence of boundaries. I have such moments occasionally, but most of the time I don’t, nor do I want to. There is human work to be done, a human life to unfold and express. Why? I don’t know; that’s just how it presents itself.

 there are people who are in totally open state all time? Maybe those yogis, it's a possibility, then maybe they have a special presence, and if you are interacting with them you get some inspiration, they drag you to the openess 

 

Even someone who is more open than someone else, can have affect on them with their presence, but the affected person must have some degree of openness themselves already. So full enlightenment is not needed to affect people with one's presence. And even then, the enlightened person (I get your description when you say it's the absence of boundaries) might not have a presence that has the strongest affect on everyone. I think energy is very powerful, from experience, so someone who has strong energy can affect others too, but seems they have to be somewhat mystic because otherwise the closed ego would block. 

Maybe the desire for the human life in self-state is because it can be richer? Something in us craves richness not just "dissolution". 

Btw hope it's ok, I saw before you edited, and I wanted to say that I also had crazy day this Sunday. Felt super unusual. Went to sleep past 4 in morning (yes went to sleep, not woke up lol) but woke up 3 hours later feeling rested enough. Crazy weekend, did coke that day, hence part of the explanation.....(shhhh, probably delete later) 

Edited Tuesday at 08:30 PM by Sugarcoat

[Breakingthewall]

32 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

 

 

32 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Even someone who is more open than someone else, can have affect on them with their presence, but the affected person must have some degree of openness themselves already. So full enlightenment is not needed to affect people with one's presence. And even then, the enlightened person (I get your description when you say it's the absence of boundaries) might not have a presence that has the strongest affect on everyone. I think energy is very powerful, from experience, so someone who has strong energy can affect others too, but seems they have to be somewhat mystic because otherwise the closed ego wou

Exactly, it's all a matter of degrees of openness. Openness is not manifested in understanding things, but in how deeply it reality penetrates you, what your level of protection is between yourself and reality, how impermeable you are.

The goal is to completely eliminate that barrier, to be one with reality, in a fluid state, without separation. For me, that state closes when I'm around people because I tune into the frequency of the person I'm speaking with, I try to speak their language.

It would be very interesting to talk to a so-called enlightened person in real life, but I would be careful with my conclusios, there are narcissistic people where, to see behind the facade they have built, you have to get to know them in some depth. Relying on the vibes people project is misleading because what you are assessing is the feeling those people create in you, and there are true con artists out there. They are so good at it that they don't even know they are scammers.

34 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Maybe the desire for the human life in self-state is because it can be richer? Something in us craves richness not just "dissolution". 

Of course, anyone could notice that living in the misery is a shit and that billions of people life like slaves. Money is survival, possibility of reproduction, possiblity of health, of time, of freedom. Money is the fluid of human society, get out of poverty is very difficult 

39 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Btw hope it's ok, I saw before you edited, and I wanted to say that I also had crazy day this Sunday. Felt super unusual. Went to sleep past 4 in morning (yes went to sleep, not woke up lol) but woke up 3 hours later feeling rested enough. Crazy weekend, did coke that day, hence part of the explanation.....(shhhh, probably delete later) 

Edited 28 minutes ago by Sugarcoat

😂😂Too late. i used to go on party from Friday to Sunday night without stop, wtf. Going to clubs with techo to dance without pause , then to after hours that open at 6, dancing like giving everything and talking with crazy people, then go with these people that I just met to terraces in center, always cocaine and MDMA around, then again to a club of techo, then another after, another crazy people, and then Sunday to the terraces drinking beers until Sunday night. Just writing this I feel sick😂. Was like, the thing that I like most in life is doing this retarded plan, was like I felt enjailed and with that shit I felt free. Then I found a girlfriend who was in the same plan but addicted type and was a shit so big that after breaking I never went to a club, never fun drugs or drinking alcohol again. But sometimes a bit of fun is not bad. Really I loved. 

[Breakingthewall]

On 26/10/2026 at 9:52 AM, Mellowmarsh said:

Yes, I see the difference, but the difference doesn’t change anything, as a finite character, my personal sandcastle will not last beyond the death of the unstoppable sun. “Split the atom's heart, and lo! Within it thou wilt find a sun"

 Here, there is a difference where there is none. See! 

That song is seemingly an empowerment anthem, but if you listen to it closely, you'll see it's a rather tragic cry from someone very scared, trying to look powerful while feeling broken inside.

It's a very sad song of helplessness, loneliness, sorrow, and the need to lie in order to survive in the world.

[VeganAwake]

Enlightenment is not a state of being, awareness or way of being. It's not a thing or a way to live life. It's not about anything. It’s not a path to walk or follow. Its the lack of paths, things, ways and abouts. Its the end of conditioned society or reality. It's not better than anything, because it's not a something. It's unattainable because it's nothing.

It's the end of religion, spirituality, soul, spirits, life/death, heaven/hell, god/satan, good/bad.

It's emptiness & also fullness. Like an empty canvas gratefully empty gratefully dead full and empty simultaneously. Ultimately empty.

Ultimate freedom for nobody where nothing was bound or imprisoned from the start.

[Mellowmarsh]

5 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

That song is seemingly an empowerment anthem, but if you listen to it closely, you'll see it's a rather tragic cry from someone very scared, trying to look powerful while feeling broken inside.

It's a very sad song of helplessness, loneliness, sorrow, and the need to lie in order to survive in the world.

Welcome to the real world that is the human condition. It takes one to know one.

 

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

On 28/10/2026 at 6:36 AM, Mellowmarsh said:

Welcome to the real world that is the human condition. It takes one to know one.

 

 

 

Much better being real and face the challenges with humility, that's the only way to find the courage that is inherent to life. 

[Breakingthewall]

On 28/10/2026 at 4:33 AM, VeganAwake said:

It's emptiness & also fullness. Like an empty canvas gratefully empty gratefully dead full and empty simultaneously. Ultimately empty.

On 28/10/2026 at 6:36 AM, Mellowmarsh said:

 

Empty of what? Reality is, fullness or emptiness are just relative aspects of existing.

And enlightenment is being open to the absolute. It's the absence of barriers. You could say that it's an achievement because barriers exist, and must be dissolved 

 

[VeganAwake]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Empty of what? Reality is, fullness or emptiness are just relative aspects of existing.

And enlightenment is being open to the absolute. It's the absence of barriers. You could say that it's an achievement because barriers exist, and must be dissolved 

 

Empty of meaning, purpose and value.

There isn't a "you" being open.

Open is already the case.

The barrier is the self 

It's impossible for illusory barriers to be dissolved, because there not real.

Edited yesterday at 03:04 AM by VeganAwake

[Mellowmarsh]

7 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Much better being real and face the challenges with humility, that's the only way to find the courage that is inherent to life. 

No one is denying this, you’re not saying anything unique, it’s basic common knowledge within the human condition.

[Joseph Maynor]

You can attempt to deceive anyone in theory.  

[Mellowmarsh]

25 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

You can attempt to deceive anyone in theory.  

That’s because illusions are very convincing theories that don’t even have any reality behind their seemingly real story.

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

The barrier is the self 

It's impossible for illusory barriers to be dissolved, because there not real.

So you say that the barrier is the self, but doesn't exist. Then there is a barrier, but can't be dissolved because doesn't exist. Emoticon now?

[Sugarcoat]

On 2026-10-27 at 10:25 PM, Breakingthewall said:

Exactly, it's all a matter of degrees of openness. Openness is not manifested in understanding things, but in how deeply it reality penetrates you, what your level of protection is between yourself and reality, how impermeable you are.

The goal is to completely eliminate that barrier, to be one with reality, in a fluid state, without separation. For me, that state closes when I'm around people because I tune into the frequency of the person I'm speaking with, I try to speak their language.

It would be very interesting to talk to a so-called enlightened person in real life, but I would be careful with my conclusios, there are narcissistic people where, to see behind the facade they have built, you have to get to know them in some depth. Relying on the vibes people project is misleading because what you are assessing is the feeling those people create in you, and there are true con artists out there. They are so good at it that they don't even know they are scammers.

Of course, anyone could notice that living in the misery is a shit and that billions of people life like slaves. Money is survival, possibility of reproduction, possiblity of health, of time, of freedom. Money is the fluid of human society, get out of poverty is very difficult 

Openness has really been something I've been thinking of in the past months and yes it goes way beyond intellectual. It's state of entire being, to whatever degree. I can relate to my state shifting when being around certain people, depending on my relation to them. It really reveals things in me, could be positive or negative, that I couldn't access before on my own. 

I too have wondered how interacting with enlightened person could feel because the more open I am, the more receptive I am, so I've been able to feel more and more the differences in people in general. I don't agree tho that it's only their vibes and one's own feelings that one could assess. I have experienced how different people have different presence to them, before hearing them speak. Have had strong experiences where someone's presence and energy was perceived as very strong, and that is not occurring in me, it's them that I'm perceiving. But then a stronger presence and energy arises simultaneously in me too (when there is connection); but that is distinct from them, I recognize it as mine, and their presence is what I'm perceiving in them. So if someone would speak in deeply spiritual way, but nothing other than that stands out in what I'm able to perceive about them, then I'm not buying it. 

When I said craving "richness" I meant not as in money but in richness of the experience, as in having a self allows for experience, meanwhile to dissolve means to be nothing. It's simplistic but still. 

On 2026-10-27 at 10:25 PM, Breakingthewall said:

😂😂Too late. i used to go on party from Friday to Sunday night without stop, wtf. Going to clubs with techo to dance without pause , then to after hours that open at 6, dancing like giving everything and talking with crazy people, then go with these people that I just met to terraces in center, always cocaine and MDMA around, then again to a club of techo, then another after, another crazy people, and then Sunday to the terraces drinking beers until Sunday night. Just writing this I feel sick😂. Was like, the thing that I like most in life is doing this retarded plan, was like I felt enjailed and with that shit I felt free. Then I found a girlfriend who was in the same plan but addicted type and was a shit so big that after breaking I never went to a club, never fun drugs or drinking alcohol again. But sometimes a bit of fun is not bad. Really I loved. 

I thought first you meant party every night, three days own row, but then I realized you meant nonstop three days hahahahah I'm weak, that's insane how energy was sustained so long. Sometime I wanna experience something like it, have never, must be like being in another reality temporarily. Feeling a little inspired not gonna lie. Cool transformation to read, the woman helped you out at last 😂

Edited yesterday at 01:16 PM by Sugarcoat

[VeganAwake]

22 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

So you say that the barrier is the self, but doesn't exist. Then there is a barrier, but can't be dissolved because doesn't exist. Emoticon now?

yes barrier/self = illusion = unreal 

Edited 12 hours ago by VeganAwake

[Breakingthewall]

23 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Openness has really been something I've been thinking of in the past months and yes it goes way beyond intellectual.

 

Imagine that your emotional structure is a barrier that keeps your perceptual field focused in one direction, on a specific frequency. This doesn't happen because we are foolish or because it's an error of the ego; rather, it is the structure created over millions of years of evolution, from the first cells to the minds that recreate the universe as an interface between the organism and the environment.

These structures are solid and very real, but they can be dissolved. In some cases, like Ramana Maharshi's, or perhaps yours, those structures are fainter and easier to dissolve, but it always requires a long and dedicated process.

What is sought is not to understand reality, but to perceive the nature of reality, what reality is. This is not impossible, since the perceiving system, the mind, is reality taking the form of a mind that perceives in a dual mode with recording and prediction. A stone is reality in stone mode, it does not perceive.

Reality is not perception; rather, perception is a mode of reality, and we are that mode. In other words, we are essentially the reality and formally perception. What reality is can be fully perceived; your mind can perceive itself as the absolute that it is.

It is rediscovering what you have always been and what anyone is: the absence of limits that exists because it has no boundaries. And that absence of limits of total life has a self: You. Any self is the self of the absolute, because obviously there is a self, and obviously that self is an expression of the absolute, there is no mystery, it is something completely simple and direct.

So if the limits of perception break, the total manifests, and the eye that sees it is at the same time the object that is being seen.

But openness is not about knowing that you are the absolute, but rather opening yourself up to the self-perception of the limitless, which is recognized as something obvious yet forgotten. It is the totality that exists, possessing an absolutely clear quality: total being, the absence of limits, unrestricted possibility, absolute freedom, and the inexhaustible power that emanates from limitlessness.

Edited 6 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

23 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

too have wondered how interacting with enlightened person could feel

I'm thinking in spiritual masters like tolle, adyashanti, Ralston, or Ramakrishna, Maharashi, Tagore, and I think that spending time with them maybe they could transmit some special calm, maybe some special understanding. Tagore probably would be someone special, powerful , genius, Ramakrishna probably would like to go on party with MDMA, then he would admit that he's very gay😅

Edited 6 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

yes barrier/self = illusion = unreal 

Who is having that illusion? An illusion is an appearance that is not real. For an appearance that seems real exist, must be a subject who is deceived by that appearance, then realize that this was false and another thing is true. Who's saying that the self is an illusion?

Edited 6 hours ago by Breakingthewall