Ego sneaking in the back door of new higher self

[Mellowmarsh]

27 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

It's clearly understanding that it was Never Real from day one.

Nothing is real. This was nothing but a pipe dream for no one.

[Sugarcoat]

9 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

It's not a forgetting or detaching either way.

It's clearly understanding that it was Never Real from day one.

The identification quickly/slowly ends due to that clear understanding. The energy is just no longer supplied to it. 

But there is still the memories of how it was prior. And that character can still be used sort a speak.

What would the understanding be based on if nothing had changed in the experience? It detached, quite literally “unhooked” somehow, then it’s seen it’s not you, because you’re no longer intertwined with it. But I don’t assume it’s the same for everyone. 

Edited 20 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[VeganAwake]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

What would the understanding be based on if nothing had changed in the experience? It detached, quite literally “unhooked” somehow, then it’s seen it’s not you, because you’re no longer intertwined with it. But I don’t assume it’s the same for everyone. 

It's based on realizing that identification was a misunderstanding. Similar to realizing Santa Claus isn't real, nothing actually changes because he was never real, but simultaneously it seems different without the belief in him.

And there are still memories of how it felt when there was a belief in him.

 

 

There isn't a real self tangled with an illusory self........there just isn't a self altogether. 

Nobody gets untangled. 

And that can feel ordinary and simultaneously terrifying or anything in-between. Like free floating.

 

[Sugarcoat]

5 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

It's based on realizing that identification was a misunderstanding. Similar to realizing Santa Claus isn't real, nothing actually changes because he was never real, but simultaneously it seems different without the belief in him.

And there are still memories of how it felt when there was a belief in him.

 

 

There isn't a real self tangled with an illusory self........there just isn't a self altogether. 

Nobody gets untangled. 

And that can feel ordinary and simultaneously terrifying or anything in-between. Like free floating.

 

Ok seems you're describing enlightenment, non duality, which you usually do. I can't speak for that beyond what makes sense to me. But there can be a profound, and permanent transition from mind-self to a more empty self, occurring in a split second. I say "more empty" because mind activity within it can still illuminate self, so it's not so clearly empty, but I cant emphasize enough how it's a radically different state in comparison to prior that transition. 

Edited 12 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[VeganAwake]

5 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

But there can be a profound, and permanent transition from mind-self to a more empty self, occurring in a split second. I say "more empty" because mind activity within it can still illuminate self, so it's not so clearly empty, but I cant emphasize enough how it's a radically different state in comparison to prior that transition. 

Oh yeah, I believe it. With me things usually felt slow and meticulous, but some things seemed very quick also.

In 2015 I changed a lot of things in my life. I started eating very clean and healthy, meditating almost daily, doing yoga and mindfulness practice/positive affirmations.

I thought I was awesome and I felt awesome. My mind was very clear and calm especially from the meditation.

Eventually though everything become kind of ordinary and my career really hadn't advanced comparatively to my peers. I started really judging myself negatively. It was almost like an ego backlash or something.

It was such a radical shift in perspective that I started investigating closely what was the cause.

Self introspection can be very revealing.

The ego/self illusion never becomes satisfied.  Just that recognition alone can be seemingly profound.

[Breakingthewall]

10 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Ok seems you're describing enlightenment, non duality, which you usually do. I can't speak for that beyond what makes sense to me. But there can be a profound, and permanent transition from mind-self to a more empty self, occurring in a split second. I say "more empty" because mind activity within it can still illuminate self, so it's not so clearly empty, but I cant emphasize enough how it's a radically different state in comparison to prior that transition. 

Yes, the discussion isn't whether the self exists or not, since the classification between existent and nonexistent can only come from the self. The point is a total change in how experience is organized around it.

That is, you can position the self as secondary, not essential. What is essential is actual existence, and the self is something that occurs within it.

Obviously, the self is real, since it exists. It is a human function that integrates memory, prediction, social status, and the pursuit of success as a living organism. But the reality of what we are is not limited to that; rather, it is the fact of being within which other things occur this self. 

It's not like: ah, now I'm identified with the existence, then I think I'm that, but really being it now without any limitation. It's the only way because any trick wouldn't work. If the self produces suffering, it would still produce it despite your tricks, the only way is the real transcendence of the self and the only way to do it is the real openess to the absolute being. 

[Mellowmarsh]

6 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

The ego/self illusion never becomes satisfied. 

Unless the illusion can be satisfied with being unsatisfied. It’s all the same profundity.