The thinker cannot use thought to reach enlightenment

[Mellowmarsh]

12 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I'm sure you are.  

Yes, I only know what I’m sure of, and that is that I am conscious, even though I don’t know how or what this knowing is. Just that it is. 

[Joseph Maynor]

6 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

But that doesn’t stop you coming to this forum not knowing who you are speaking to or writing to. 
 

Who is interacting with who here? All you keep repeating is that I don’t know you I don’t know you I don’t know I don’t know you.

 

How many more times are you going to say  you don’t know? 

Show me your picture.  Who is saying these things to me?  You won't do that.  

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Show me your picture

I don’t care enough about you to show you my picture. It’s not personal. I just don’t allow people to command I do something just so they can fantasise over an image believing they know that person, and then say unless you see a person’s image then you don’t trust them. Okay, that’s fine by me, I couldn’t give a flying saucer. You’re still not having my image, so you can demand it all you like, it’s not going to happen. You should have paid attention the first time I posted it, you’ve missed the boat now. 
 

 

[Joseph Maynor]

On 8/23/2026 at 1:36 AM, Mellowmarsh said:

I don’t care enough about you to show you my picture. It’s not personal. I just don’t allow people to command I do something just so they can fantasise over an image believing they know that person, and then say unless you see a person’s image then you don’t trust them. Okay, that’s fine by me, I couldn’t give a flying saucer. You’re still not having my image, so you can demand it all you like, it’s not going to happen. You should have paid attention the first time I posted it, you’ve missed the boat now. 

It is important for me to know who I am dealing with.  

Edited 3 hours ago by Joseph Maynor

[Yimpa]

in conflict with your own self:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DbbA9XmOXVL

[Mellowmarsh]

40 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

It is important for me to know who I am dealing with,  

You’re being pathetic. How are you going to tell if the photo posted is the real person they’re showing you, it could be a fake, how the hell would you know, do you just blindly believe only what you want to believe? What do you want from this forum, exactly?

 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

38 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

in conflict with your own self:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DbbA9XmOXVL

Thank you 🙏 

[Breakingthewall]

Thought is essential because the human psyche has an enormous symbolic and conceptual dimension. Understanding the mechanisms that govern this psyche is essential, and for that, thought is necessary.

Not only thought, but the direct perception of the emotional layers that govern it is even more essential, but without a correct framework for thought, you are lost.

[Mellowmarsh]

12 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Thought is essential because the human psyche has an enormous symbolic and conceptual dimension. Understanding the mechanisms that govern this psyche is essential, and for that, thought is necessary.

Not only thought, but the direct perception of the emotional layers that govern it is even more essential, but without a correct framework for thought, you are lost.

I strongly disagree. 
 

Thought is thought, feelings are feelings, emotions are emotions. I deal with those thoughts and feelings as and when they arise, when I’m around other people. . I deal only with those arisings, not the person. The person is just being themselves, I have no problem with how people are.  I’m not going to kick a person just for being who they are, I deal with how I feel when I am around them. I have no problem with the actual person. I just deal with how I personally feel when I’m around them. If I don’t like the way I feel when I’m around a certain person then I’ll deal with the feeling without ever losing sight of who I am because I’m absolutely certain I know who I am in every moment. That’s not something that can be lost.

[Breakingthewall]

40 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

If I don’t like the way I feel when I’m around a certain person then I’ll deal with the feeling without ever losing sight of who I am

Maybe you feel in some way but you don't understand exactly why. Maybe things are much deeper than they seems 

[oOo]

@Mellowmarsh So this just reads as thought ascribing to thought. 

Purely just my intuition, but I am not sure you've adequately understood thought as yet, as well as distinguishing between its various categories (I.e. between understanding or insight, and rumination on the lack thereof).

Just a simple observation I am making.

I feel that you have poorly distinguished between mind, thought, awareness and consciousness in this particular instance; wrongly translating examples of the poor functioning of thought as therefore its obvious separation from aiding the unity between mind, consciousness and experience. Where to me, to the contrary, the integrity of the latter encompasses the causal health and subsequent nature of thought and its relationship to general enlightenment and well-being. 

Otherwise, I always put the conditioning of the physical body not before the mind (inclusive of thought) but in its strengthening. 

Our body is a bridge by which the mind receives the most direct feedback on its first instantiation upon experience, this is why it is tertiary, foundational and therefore preliminary to proper alignment of the mind, consciousness, experience and any relationship to higher development in any one of those three categories. 

 

Edited Sunday at 11:02 AM by oOo

[Mellowmarsh]

14 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Maybe you feel in some way but you don't understand exactly why. Maybe things are much deeper than they seems 

I react or respond to energies. I don’t react or respond to people per se. People are people, they are what they are, I don’t have a problem with people being who or what they are.

 The shift of perception for me is an energetic shift. I either like the way I feel around certain energies, or I don’t. There’s nothing more to this than that. That said, no matter how I feel around other peoples energies does not change the fact that I am what I am without doubt or error. That I am certain of. 

[Mellowmarsh]

@oOo To be honest, I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

[oOo]

@Mellowmarsh Hey at least you're expressing yourself honestly, I respect that, I'll move on now. 

[Mellowmarsh]

[Yimpa]

7 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Thank you 🙏 

 

[Ziran]

On 8/22/2026 at 11:37 PM, Mellowmarsh said:

Silent not- Knowing presence

? curiosity inclining towards awe ?

IOW

? curiosity inclining away from wonder ?

On 8/22/2026 at 11:37 PM, Mellowmarsh said:

Blessed is S/he who trips without psychedelics. 

His-Her majesty's name is "loft"? or "ascension"?  ... in its purest, loftiest, least differentiated form?

[Ziran]

On 8/22/2026 at 11:43 PM, Mellowmarsh said:

The Trap of Overthinking

The Loop: The mind feeds on itself, turning simple observation into endless calculation.

The Illusion: We value symbols and ideas (like money or digital photos) more than real, living experiences.

The Verdict: Thinking is a useful tool, but a terrible master.

Another question, if you're feeling generous:

Within your own frame of experience, ignoring theory, is there any thought that occurs without an emotive trigger?  Or, to put it another way, is thinking the master?  Or, is it the heart which is pulling the strings, hiding in plain sight, which produces the impetus which further blossoms into conscious chains of thought?

[Joseph Maynor]

On 8/23/2026 at 2:22 AM, Mellowmarsh said:

 What do you want from this forum, exactly?

Ideally to do development work, which is what I have been doing.  But now I am more focused on real interactions and am valuing that more.  

[Mellowmarsh]

2 hours ago, Ziran said:

Another question, if you're feeling generous:

Within your own frame of experience, ignoring theory, is there any thought that occurs without an emotive trigger?  Or, to put it another way, is thinking the master?  Or, is it the heart which is pulling the strings, hiding in plain sight, which produces the impetus which further blossoms into conscious chains of thought?

To answer all your questions, and to save me a lot of energy , it’s probably best and easiest to watch this video to the end. It will explain everything much better than I could personally put into words for you. It’s only 30 minutes long so not demanding too much of your precious attention. 

If you want to know why I write the words I do on this forum then I strongly recommend you watch this video, it will explain accurately what happened to me personally during this timeline that I am living through right now. I suggest if you are really interested in why I write the way I do, you must watch the whole video right to the end, or you’ll miss the most important things I need you to know, if you do this one thing for me, then you’ll hopefully understand why I am the way I am right now, and this video explains it why so perfectly what it is I am trying to show you.

If you are not interested, then that’s okay, but if your curiosity is sincere enough, then this is one of the best videos I’ve found to date that describes perfectly what I am going through right now. If you are interested then you must watch until the end, and really try to absorb what is being discussed. It’s just easier to watch the video than have me research everything off my own head, I don’t need to do that because it’s all here in this video.
 

You are very welcome to ask me some more questions if you like, but only do so after watching the video, until you watch it, you will not be able to understand where or who I am, or what I am talking and writing about on this forum to you and others listening and reading here.