The thinker cannot use thought to reach enlightenment

[Mellowmarsh]

12 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I'm sure you are.  

Yes, I only know what I’m sure of, and that is that I am conscious, even though I don’t know how or what this knowing is. Just that it is. 

[Joseph Maynor]

6 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

But that doesn’t stop you coming to this forum not knowing who you are speaking to or writing to. 
 

Who is interacting with who here? All you keep repeating is that I don’t know you I don’t know you I don’t know I don’t know you.

 

How many more times are you going to say  you don’t know? 

Show me your picture.  Who is saying these things to me?  You won't do that.  

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Show me your picture

I don’t care enough about you to show you my picture. It’s not personal. I just don’t allow people to command I do something just so they can fantasise over an image believing they know that person, and then say unless you see a person’s image then you don’t trust them. Okay, that’s fine by me, I couldn’t give a flying saucer. You’re still not having my image, so you can demand it all you like, it’s not going to happen. You should have paid attention the first time I posted it, you’ve missed the boat now. 
 

 

[Joseph Maynor]

1 minute ago, Mellowmarsh said:

I don’t care enough about you to show you my picture. It’s not personal. I just don’t allow people to command I do something just so they can fantasise over an image believing they know that person, and then say unless you see a person’s image then you don’t trust them. Okay, that’s fine by me, I couldn’t give a flying saucer. You’re still not having my image, so you can demand it all you like, it’s not going to happen. You should have paid attention the first time I posted it, you’ve missed the boat now. 

It is important for me to know who I am dealing with,  

[Yimpa]

in conflict with your own self:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DbbA9XmOXVL

[Mellowmarsh]

40 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

It is important for me to know who I am dealing with,  

You’re being pathetic. How are you going to tell if the photo posted is the real person they’re showing you, it could be a fake, how the hell would you know, do you just blindly believe only what you want to believe? What do you want from this forum, exactly?

 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

38 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

in conflict with your own self:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DbbA9XmOXVL

Thank you 🙏 

[Breakingthewall]

Thought is essential because the human psyche has an enormous symbolic and conceptual dimension. Understanding the mechanisms that govern this psyche is essential, and for that, thought is necessary.

Not only thought, but the direct perception of the emotional layers that govern it is even more essential, but without a correct framework for thought, you are lost.

[Mellowmarsh]

12 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Thought is essential because the human psyche has an enormous symbolic and conceptual dimension. Understanding the mechanisms that govern this psyche is essential, and for that, thought is necessary.

Not only thought, but the direct perception of the emotional layers that govern it is even more essential, but without a correct framework for thought, you are lost.

I strongly disagree. 
 

Thought is thought, feelings are feelings, emotions are emotions. I deal with those thoughts and feelings as and when they arise, when I’m around other people. . I deal only with those arisings, not the person. The person is just being themselves, I have no problem with how people are.  I’m not going to kick a person just for being who they are, I deal with how I feel when I am around them. I have no problem with the actual person. I just deal with how I personally feel when I’m around them. If I don’t like the way I feel when I’m around a certain person then I’ll deal with the feeling without ever losing sight of who I am because I’m absolutely certain I know who I am in every moment. That’s not something that can be lost.

[Breakingthewall]

40 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

If I don’t like the way I feel when I’m around a certain person then I’ll deal with the feeling without ever losing sight of who I am

Maybe you feel in some way but you don't understand exactly why. Maybe things are much deeper than they seems 

[oOo]

@Mellowmarsh So this just reads as thought ascribing to thought. 

Purely just my intuition, but I am not sure you've adequately understood thought as yet, as well as distinguishing between its various categories (I.e. between understanding or insight, and rumination on the lack thereof).

Just a simple observation I am making.

I feel that you have poorly distinguished between mind, thought, awareness and consciousness in this particular instance; wrongly translating examples of the poor functioning of thought as therefore its obvious separation from aiding the unity between mind, consciousness and experience. Where to me, to the contrary, the integrity of the latter encompasses the causal health and subsequent nature of thought and its relationship to general enlightenment and well-being. 

Otherwise, I always put the conditioning of the physical body not before the mind (inclusive of thought) but in its strengthening. 

Our body is a bridge by which the mind receives the most direct feedback on its first instantiation upon experience, this is why it is tertiary, foundational and therefore preliminary to proper alignment of the mind, consciousness, experience and any relationship to higher development in any one of those three categories. 

 

Edited 44 minutes ago by oOo

[Mellowmarsh]

14 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Maybe you feel in some way but you don't understand exactly why. Maybe things are much deeper than they seems 

I react or respond to energies. I don’t react or respond to people per se. People are people, they are what they are, I don’t have a problem with people being who or what they are.

 The shift of perception for me is an energetic shift. I either like the way I feel around certain energies, or I don’t. There’s nothing more to this than that. That said, no matter how I feel around other peoples energies does not change the fact that I am what I am without doubt or error. That I am certain of. 

[Mellowmarsh]

@oOo To be honest, I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

[oOo]

@Mellowmarsh Hey at least you're expressing yourself honestly, I respect that, I'll move on now.