What is tranquility?

[Someone here]

What is tranquility? Are your soul tranquil ? How does one become tranquil ? 

[Mellowmarsh]

48 minutes ago, Someone here said:

How does one become tranquil ? 

Same way a still wind becomes still. 

[Joseph Maynor]

Lots of very basic do nothing meditation works for me.  

[Someone here]

@Joseph Maynor  @Mellowmarsh thanks .

what is your tranquility rooted in? Do you have stressful jobs ? Or in your twilight years of your life ? 
I ask because I go through stress everyday and I rely on smoking cigarettes to calm my nerves down ,which is obviously unhealthy and works only temporarily , in the long run it actuallly feeds the stress even more . 

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

@Joseph Maynor  @Mellowmarsh thanks .

what is your tranquility rooted in? Do you have stressful jobs ? Or in your twilight years of your life ? 
I ask because I go through stress everyday and I rely on smoking cigarettes to calm my nerves down ,which is obviously unhealthy and works only temporarily , in the long run it actuallly feeds the stress even more . 

In my personal experience I think just knowing you are aware of being conscious is stressful whether one is working a job or not, it’s just stressful being conscious, period. Being conscious is far more stressful than say being unconscious because there’s no sense of self present in unconsciousness, there’s no knowledge of anything while unconscious. 
 

Could you just be addicted to the dopamine hit that nicotine gives you, and is why you choose to smoke?

I smoke cigarettes like crazy these days, only because smoking gives me pleasure, I enjoy pleasure , of course, who doesn’t. . and I don’t seem to care if this pleasure is going kill me or do my body great harm, it might not kill me, I don’t know until I know. I’m presently in the mindset of not caring if I live or die, because I understand death to be the end of knowledge. I understand that as a self aware being, I’m going to die eventually anyway. I understand that death is the only certainty in life and I’m completely okay with that. In fact I’d be a terrible nervous wreck consumed with stress if death wasn’t a certainty. I can only imagine living forever to be the worst thing that could happen to me, living forever would be a curse more stressful than the thought of dying would.

 

So I guess my tranquility is rooted in not caring whether I live or die. I don’t mind what happens.

Edited yesterday at 02:43 PM by Mellowmarsh

[Someone here]

20 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

In my personal experience I think just knowing you are aware of being conscious is stressful whether one is working a job or not, it’s just stressful being conscious, period. Being conscious is far more stressful than say being unconscious because there’s no sense of self present in unconsciousness, there’s no knowledge of anything while unconscious. 
 

Could you just be addicted to the dopamine hit that nicotine gives you, and is why you choose to smoke?

I smoke cigarettes like crazy these days, only because smoking gives me pleasure, I enjoy pleasure , of course, who doesn’t. . and I don’t seem to care if this pleasure is going kill me or do my body great harm, it might not kill me, I don’t know until I know. I’m presently in the mindset of not caring if I live or die, because I understand death to be the end of knowledge. I understand that as a self aware being, I’m going to die eventually anyway. I understand that death is the only certainty in life and I’m completely okay with that. In fact I’d be a terrible nervous wreck consumed with stress if death wasn’t a certainty. I can only imagine living forever to be the worst thing that could happen to me, living forever would be a curse more stressful than the thought of dying would.

 

So I guess my tranquility is rooted in not caring whether I live or die. I don’t mind what happens.

Thank you for your  honesty. I appreciate it .

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[Mellowmarsh]

10 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Thank you for your  honesty. I appreciate it .

You’re welcome, anytime bro. 👊 

God never said it would be easy, just that it would be worth it. The journey back to the garden. From self to self, an endless spring. 🫶

[Someone here]

14 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

You’re welcome, anytime bro. 👊 

God never said it would be easy, just that it would be worth it. The journey back to the garden. From self to self, an endless spring. 🫶

I agree . 
don't you think though we have to walk the talk ? There is the trap of using spirituality as a form of escapism. 
if one genuinely relates to life and consciousness as stressful by default, then we should be honest about that. We should be honest about where we actually are on the path ,instead of pretending we are in a place on the path which we are actually not . 

 

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[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

I agree . 
don't you think though we have to walk the talk ? There is the trap of using spirituality as a form of escapism. 
if one genuinely relate to life and consciousness as stressful by default, then we should be honest about that. We should be honest about where we are in the path ,instead of pretending we are in a place on the that path which we are actually not . 

 

I absolutely agree 💯 

 

Your job is to know yourself, forget about others, they’re just doing their own job, which is no one else’s business, but their own.

 

It’s a filthy job but someone’s got to do it. 😉

 

Take care. For care is for the taking, it’s already here waiting to be grabbed by both hands. 🙌 

 

 

 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

Also remember God said I am in the world but not of it.

 

The things that are seen are temporal, but the things that are not seen are eternal. 

There is a light within a man of light, and it lights up the whole world. If it does not shine, he is in darkness.
I was blind but now I see. 

The way to perfection is through a series of humiliations of the false self.

[Breakingthewall]

I think the point is to realize the openess and then as a consequence you will try to live a completely coherent life, to realize that any compulsive behavior, any lie, throws you off balance and that brings anxiety.

If you realize the possibility of living in a state of openness, of constant contentment, you don't engage in behaviors that will distort that state. You avoid toxic relationships and behaviors, and little by little you polish your life of everything that makes it dense

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[Someone here]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I think the point is to realize the openess and then as a consequence you will try to live a completely coherent life, to realize that any compulsive behavior, any lie, throws you off balance and that brings anxiety.

If you realize the possibility of living in a state of openness, of constant contentment, you don't engage in behaviors that will distort that state. You avoid toxic relationships and behaviors, and little by little you polish your life of everything that makes it dense

The way I understand the word “openness “ is that it welcomes toxic behavior , not exclude it .

[Breakingthewall]

40 minutes ago, Someone here said:

The way I understand the word “openness “ is that it welcomes toxic behavior , not exclude it .

It doesn't mean that it's open to every behavior but that you are open to the absolute being, then you need an open heart and a clean mind, if not you are closed in density 

[Someone here]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It doesn't mean that it's open to every behavior but that you are open to the absolute being, then you need an open heart and a clean mind, if not you are closed in density 

Ok I understand what you mean.  Then openness would be still biased ?  

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Ok I understand what you mean.  Then openness would be still biased ?  

Openess doesn't mean being open to everything but that your psyche is open to the open absolute being. Then if your psyche is full of fear, unconscious barriers, all that stuff that are normal in any human, then it's closed, dense. The perception is blocked by the psyche itself. The point is achieving a psyche that's transparent, that can deactivate the emotional blockages and can be totally diaphanous. Then you perceive that what you was missing is in you, not out of you, so you focus yourself to be more open and more transparent to the fact of being. 

Then in some point you are not sustained anymore for the mental structures that tells you how is everything, but you are sustained for the fact of being, you are not separate of the reality, so your mind stops the need of control because you feel clearly all time that you are one with what is, you are that now. 

Then, if doing things like compulsive masturbation watching porn for example, makes you dense and separated, you never do it again. Same many other things, maybe even having a girlfriend or a work that feels toxic or anything 

[Someone here]

19 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Openess doesn't mean being open to everything but that your psyche is open to the open absolute being.

What’s the difference between the “open absolute being “ and everything? As long as you haven’t gotten to openness towards everything then you are still biased towards one outcome versus the other . And I’m not saying that’s a bad thing . Every ego or “psyche” is by definition biased towards what benefits its survival.  
Can you clarify this point specifically?

 

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[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

What’s the difference between the “open absolute being “ and everything? As long as you haven’t gotten to openness towards everything then you are still biased towards one outcome versus the other . And I’m not saying that’s a bad thing . Every ego or “psyche” is by definition biased towards what benefits its survival.  
Can you clarify this point specifically?

 

It has nothing to do with transcending human preferences; anyone who says otherwise is talking nonsense. Ask them if they prefer ice cream or a crucifixion and see what they say.

The issue lies in dissolving the capsule, the barrier, i don't know what to call it, that is created in the human psyche by virtue of being social and separated as a mind from reality.

It's as if the mind creates a barrier and locks itself inside it because it needs that security, a framework of certainties that are always active, filtering all experience. The point is to dissolve that structure and be completely open to reality without any filter.

This doesn't mean you don't know the earth is round, but rather that that and any other certainty become secondary. What is real and sustains you is the fact of existing now. You are completely open to the reality of being right now, and you clearly see that any interpretation that occurs in that reality is secondary to that reality, and therefore cannot sustain it. Then your experience becomes totally open, alive, and in it you perceive the dynamism, the vitality of the reality, you are one with it, it fills you. 

[Breakingthewall]

@Someone here

3 hours ago, Someone here said:

 

But the point is that this capsule of mental certainly is not just mental, it's supported by emotions and many of them are extremely powerful. A lot of need of belonging that is genetically uncoded that is the basis of everything, that defines you and everything. Much more powerful than the pure survival instinct because it's not usually threatened, but the need of belonging is and it makes the psyche active, energetic. You can't to transcend the psyche just by understanding, it needs action, real openess, direct observation and confrontation. 

[Someone here]

@Breakingthewall I will address your points in a minute. I need time to make sure I understand correctly.