An objection to NDEs

[Hojo]

12 minutes ago, Meeksauce said:

It could be that NDE is just a transitory stage before the real deal. But I get what you're saying, no dreams have more reality than others.

I think whatever is manifesting reality is buried far beneath the human conscious mind. It's a terrifying thought to think that my own consciousness could potentially lock me in hell forever.

Its not scary if you know. You go to hell and fight Satan. Instead of being scared you get courageous.

People don't realize but alot of our fears come from our dreams. Life is perfect but we have a nightmare and then we enter a new degree of energy that seems scary but its our own energy.

We fall from grace because of our dreams.

Edited August 5 by Hojo

[Meeksauce]

21 minutes ago, Hojo said:

Its not scary if you know. You go to hell and fight Satan. Instead of being scared you get courageous.

People don't realize but alot of our fears come from our dreams. Life is perfect but we have a nightmare and then we enter a new degree of energy that seems scary but its our own energy.

We fall from grace because of our dreams.

It might not be scary now, but if it was you on that torture rack, you would experience a limitless indescribable amount of fear.

[Someone here]

The way to heaven passes through hell.

 

[Oppositionless]

I know some addict who had nde and got sober after . 

[Meeksauce]

2 minutes ago, Oppositionless said:

I know some addict who had nde and got sober after . 

Did he tell you what happened?

[Hojo]

1 hour ago, Meeksauce said:

It might not be scary now, but if it was you on that torture rack, you would experience a limitless indescribable amount of fear.

Then after its over you are stronger.

Edited August 5 by Hojo

[Oppositionless]

37 minutes ago, Meeksauce said:

Did he tell you what happened?

That he floated above his body and the car wreck from above saw them then looked up and saw the center of the universe .

[Meeksauce]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

Then after its over you are stronger.

More like driven absolutely insane to the fullest extent. Nobody's mind would survive that.

[Hojo]

@Meeksauce your mind has already been there before. We've probably been to hell if it exists, 1000s of times. We are eternal.

[Willy Phallicus]

4 hours ago, Meeksauce said:

Of course a lot are going to be, as you said, but when someone has truly been traumatized and is sobbing their eyes out on camera that becomes much harder to fake.

It could be faked though.  Not every real account is from a traumatized person either.

I'm just biased on the matter.  Maybe 1 in 25 NDE stories is a real account containing a seed or two of truth someone would find useful or helpful.  

[Adrian colby]

It’s the same as trying to figure if what happens during psychedelics, dreams, meditation are real.

psychedelics we know switch off or subdue the default mode network of the brain which is where the sense of self/ego/identity emerges. When it’s not active we experience consciousness with ‘no self’ or a unified field of awareness where the mind is no longer bounded by identity. 

an NDE is similar when there is a neurological suppression but not complete cessation. The person is not clinically dead and always comes back. Making somewhat similar claims. 

 

the only case I’ve come across that could possibly validate a conscious out of body experience while the body is actually dead was of a woman who had to have a serious surgery of replacement organ like the heart. She had an auditory signal played in her ears with a neurological monitor reporting the resulting activity. Her body was cooled for preservation and her heart was stopped. Her neural activity was monitored so they knew there was no activity. Clinically dead.

they managed to resuscitate her and when she came around she was able to describe the nurses, assistants and surgeons appearance, position and conversation from a point in the room away from her body. She also described a passage of time in another dimension that felt like a dream with the typical recounting of the ‘life review’. It’s the only technically dead account of an NDE with clinical confirmation of death during the procedure. 
 

with dreams it’s similar in that you can go into disembodied states of consciousness from anything  in v from a typical narritive dream to a full blown psychedelic type journey or even as far as a mystical experience like the white light or 5MeO. 
 

if you lie motionless at night but maintain your awareness, your brain and body goes into sleep and you experience a dissolution of reality. Everything bug awareness fades away and you end up in the ‘void’ state or source of undifferentiated awareness. But the mind is a reality creator so it is inevitable that distinctions will start to form another reality including. A body. This reality is less finite so you can step into it like a regular waking reality but you have hhe ability to maintain your focus and change the appearance of things including your persona and the laws of physics. If you meditate further within this ‘lucid dream’ you can go into psychedelic like realms or full blown white light ocean of consciousness.

 

ive done the dream thing a few times which has given me a greater understanding of what consciousness is than any psychedelic. The psychedelic simply forces the suppression of the self to allow the opening of the mind but doesn’t garuntee a mystical experience. With the dream, you have the continuity of awareness through the shutting down and sleeping process but you do it with the power and discipline of your own mind. Fearless Tranquility is vital to opening where psychedelics force it. 
 

and just like a dream, your state of mind or whatever has left an intention or impression on you will carry through into the dream, the psychedelic trip or the NDE ( even speculating the next life)

[Oppositionless]

On 8/5/2026 at 6:29 PM, Hojo said:

@Meeksauce your mind has already been there before. We've probably been to hell if it exists, 1000s of times. We are eternal.

What I think about is how I don't remember my past lives so it's almost like they didn't exist, only if you can awaken in this life you see you're immortal but you still forget .