PUA is fundamentally bad for YOU.

[Elliott]

Just now, Raze said:

It’s not just social anxiety.

There are many skills necessary for succeeding in dating.

Trying to learn them in your workplace or social circle is like learning break dancing in a minefield. 

Ya. Social circle references I believe were for dating, I think talking to strangers on the street is great for social anxiety and the other things you're pointing to. Talking to strangers, just not going into it to get a date or anything out of it really, is what I'm suggesting.

[VioleGrace]

1 minute ago, Elliott said:

Ya. Social circle references I believe were for dating, I think talking to strangers on the street is great for social anxiety and the other things you're pointing to. Talking to strangers, just not going into it to get a date or anything out of it really, is what I'm suggesting.

I dont understand, what are you suggesting exactly ? 

 

[LordFall]

4 hours ago, AION said:

It is too deep to explain. Procreation itself is selfish. If you know you know. Catch 22.

How so? That sounds like a weird anti-sex and anti life take. 

2 hours ago, Valach said:

Most of what we consider "normal social skills" is essentially manipulation though. Average guy who doesn't do pickup and goes on a date say from tinder is still gonna be very manipulative.

Sure but then we lose the usefulness of words and concepts. By smiling at someone you induce good emotions in them with mirror neurons, I wouldn't call that manipulative. 

If we use this definition of manipulation : 

Then only doing stuff like lying to get laid or intentionally taking advantage of vulnerable people falls into the manipulative category. Having good social skills and offering value is not manipulative even if you use it to get tons of sex but don't lie about it. 

[Valach]

15 minutes ago, LordFall said:

How so? That sounds like a weird anti-sex and anti life take. 

Sure but then we lose the usefulness of words and concepts. By smiling at someone you induce good emotions in them with mirror neurons, I wouldn't call that manipulative. 

If we use this definition of manipulation : 

Then only doing stuff like lying to get laid or intentionally taking advantage of vulnerable people falls into the manipulative category. Having good social skills and offering value is not manipulative even if you use it to get tons of sex but don't lie about it. 

That is fair. I was just pointing that out

You could easily say a woman is manipulating by putting on a makeup or nice fit if we get down to it.

Edited 2 hours ago by Valach