Jeweler kills the two robbers but must compensate the families.

[HopePaul]

https://en.ilsole24ore.com/art/sentence-upheld-for-jeweller-who-killed-two-robbers-AJQjWhK

https://stream24.ilsole24ore.com/video/italia/cuneo-attesa-sentenza-roggero-video-sparatoria-cui-gioielliere-uccise-rapinatori/AJdJAZK

I would like to share an Italian case with you, and I would like to get your opinion on it. In Italy, there is a major issue regarding self-defense—it takes very little to cross the line from being in the right to being in the wrong.

In this specific case, three robbers entered a jewelry store; inside were the owner, his wife, and his daughter. At the end of the robbery, the robbers went outside to get into their car. At that point, the owner grabbed his gun, chased after them, and started shooting. He killed two of them, and the third was injured.

All this happened in 2021, and a few days ago the verdict was announced: 15 years in prison for the jeweler, and additionally, he must compensate the robbers' families. For the time being, he has to pay 780,000 euros, but it could reach up to 3 million.

I am curious to know how situations like this are handled outside of Italy. Personally, I agree with the prison sentence, but I don't really agree with the financial compensation.

I am leaving you both the newspaper article and the video of the robbery.

[LordFall]

Is the jewelry insured? If so that's unhinged and he was only acting on the insult to his ego to having being robbed.

If it's uninsured and that's his lifes work and his family living that they stole then personally I think he should get a light prison sentence or even just community service and no damage paid to the families. The robbers chose to break the social contract and use violence to get paid and as thus they suffer the consequences. 

That's the whole point of a career and a business, why the fuck do you work hard if it's rewarded to steal from people? In Nigeria young guys still take guys and kidnap people because it's legitimately a better business model than working your way up the system. Rewarding people that break the social contract always ends in chaos. 

In Canada it works the same as in Italy even more strict towards the jeweler. I think it's a bit closer to true morality than my own thoughts on it tbh but also it's just done to rid themselves of liability. They don't care if your living and your life is ruined from a robbery they want to stop lawlessness on their streets. Cars and other stuff get stolen in Canada all the time and police do nothing. This whole justification that these progressive prison systems are moral is falling apart as their lenient sentencing is leading to massive amounts of repeat offenders and if you follow the money they just don't wanna pay to house offenders, the policy makers stay in their gated communities and let the general public deal with the increased chaos of there being no enforced social contract. 

I just ran my own comment through Gemini and it said I was 55% correct and 45% cynical so take that however you want. 

Edited 2 hours ago by LordFall

[enchanted]

Awesome post @HopePaul!

These 30 seconds of vigilantinism is way more enthralling than a 2 hour action film. 

I'm not a legal expert but my gut feeling says the jeweler should not get charged in any way. But then again we don't live in the wild west and the legal system is a million shades of grey for a reason. What if the thief is a starving young kid would it be ok to shoot them? So I agree with you the prison sentence might make sense but perhaps the financial compensation doesn't.

Edited 2 hours ago by enchanted

[Joshe]

IMO, you don't get to commit a violent crime and then have your death treated as a loss the world owes your family for. Absurd. 

Edited 40 minutes ago by Joshe