Schizophrenia, OCD , Autism,.... and Religion. Stanford lecture

[Elliott]

6 minutes ago, Ziran said:

I'm sorry.  I'm not understanding the objection.  The first person, assuming there was only one, would necessarily utilize the same technique(s) to investigate some "thing" beyond the material realm.

The first person to experience it, the person that created the religion experienced 'it' before the religion existed

[Ziran]

48 minutes ago, Elliott said:

The first person to experience it, the person that created the religion experienced 'it' before the religion existed

The semantics here need to be precise.  I'm not trying to be difficult, but, I'm choosing words carefully to prevent re-explaining.

At that hypothetical moment, if there was only one person involved, the "person" is not directly experiencing it.  It's still being abstracted through the microcosm of the physical realm.  There aren't extant records of this, the very first religious experience.  However, the earliest that I'm aware of used either the human body as the microcosm, or the constellations as a macrocosm.

ETA:  Primitive people directly experiencing reality falls in the category of Shamanism, not religion, imo.

Edited 3 hours ago by Ziran

[Elliott]

2 minutes ago, Ziran said:

The semantics here need to be precise.  

The first person that experienced the experience that the religion guides you to, you said religion is necessary for the experience, how did the person that invented the religion do it then?

[Ziran]

Just now, Elliott said:

The first person that experienced the experience that the religion guides you to, you said religion is necessary for the experience, how did the person that invented the religion do it then?

In the same manner that the religion is invented today.  Religious people re-invent their religion every time it's sincerely practiced.

[Elliott]

11 minutes ago, Ziran said:

In the same manner that the religion is invented today.  Religious people re-invent their religion every time it's sincerely practiced.

Before any religion was invented, the first person to start a religion(how to "investigate 100% different from any thing") obviously didn't have a religion......

3 hours ago, Ziran said:

A religion is necessary if the target of investigation is 100% different from any "thing" in the material realm,

 

[Ziran]

2 hours ago, Elliott said:

Before any religion was invented, the first person to start a religion(how to "investigate 100% different from any thing") obviously didn't have a religion......

The religion, at that moment of inception, has only one member.