Schizophrenia, OCD , Autism,.... and Religion. Stanford lecture

[Elliott]

 

 

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[Inliytened1]

Yay. 

[Inliytened1]

Do we have to listen to the whole lecture?

[Elliott]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Do we have to listen to the whole lecture?

... shamans were schizotypals... you want a summary?

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Elliott said:

... shamans were schizotypals... you want a summary?

Yes please 🙏 

[Elliott]

Shamans were schizotypal, 'spoke to the dead or spirits, saw the future,....'

Rituals are OCD, washing, cleansing, purifying, ornamentals,  need to be perfectly clean, magical numbers, food rituals and beliefs, food prohibitions, prayer rituals. Freud, religion is a universal obsession of neurosis. Decreasing anxiety, collectively.

Martin Luther, suffered from anxiety, figured out the use of religion for this,

Fasting, anorexia, nuns did "holy fasting", starved themselves

Faith, gives a sense of agency and control when you're overwhelmed by not understanding what's going on.

People hallucinating patterns in things like Jesus on a piece of toast, stressed people that feel helpless see patterns.

Autism, 'God preserves abstract physical laws'

Prefrontal cortex damage, higher rate of mystical experiences

Temporal lobe epilepsy, obsessive writing, afraid of novel things, build close knit group. Saint Paul(wrote most? of the books of new testament)

No religiosity gene

Big gods emerged with larger societies

More problems in the society, more religiosity( from more mental illness?)

Religion keeps mentally ill away from substance abuse. Religion can protect people with these mental illnesses, they fit in the community. Mentally ill can still cooperate with the rest of the group, they fit in.

 

So, Leo is an overwhelmed autistic with temporal lobe epilepsy.... j/k

It's Myers Briggs but for religion....

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[glassfire]

Tell us about yourself. What have you lost on this forum if you are not spiritual? Are you a racist too?

[Inliytened1]

41 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Shamans were schizotypal, 'spoke to the dead or spirits, saw the future,....'

Rituals are OCD, washing, cleansing, purifying, ornamentals,  need to be perfectly clean, magical numbers, food rituals and beliefs, food prohibitions, prayer rituals. Freud, religion is a universal obsession of neurosis. Decreasing anxiety, collectively.

Martin Luther, suffered from anxiety, figured out the use of religion for this,

Fasting, anorexia, nuns did "holy fasting", starved themselves

Faith, gives a sense of agency and control when you're overwhelmed by not understanding what's going on.

People hallucinating patterns in things like Jesus on a piece of toast, stressed people that feel helpless see patterns.

Autism, 'God preserves abstract physical laws'

Prefrontal cortex damage, higher rate of mystical experiences

Temporal lobe epilepsy, obsessive writing, afraid of novel things, build close knit group. Saint Paul(wrote most? of the books of new testament)

No religiosity gene

Big gods emerged with larger societies

More problems in the society, more religiosity( from more mental illness?)

Religion keeps mentally ill away from substance abuse. Religion can protect people with these mental illnesses, they fit in the community. Mentally ill can still cooperate with the rest of the group, they fit in.

 

So, Leo is an overwhelmed autistic with temporal lobe epilepsy.... j/k

It's Myers Briggs but for religion....

Nothing on enlightenment  

[Elliott]

 

17 minutes ago, glassfire said:

 Are you a racist too?

Yes, I believe Southeast Asians make the best food

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Elliott said:

 

Yes, I believe Southeast Asians make the best food

Chinese food is yummy  

[Inliytened1]

Its an interesting take on OCD and religion and how religion helps the mentally ill.  But it is very superficial about OCD becsuse ritual is only one flavor of OCD. I actually have OCD and it is not about that at all for me 

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[Elliott]

6 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Its an interesting take on OCD and religion and how religion helps the mentally ill.  But it is very superficial about OCD becsuse ritual is only one flavor of OCD. I actually have OCD and it is not about that at all for me 

'Perfection of God' 'Made perfect' 'all knowing' 'all powerful'

I don't remember if these were suggested in the video, I'm just drawing my own connection here.

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[Inliytened1]

My grandfather always said religion was good about one thing.  Holding the family unit together 😀

But it's good for some to surrender to a higher power greater than themselves. Because this allows them to release control and give it to God.  Its a type of release.

The problem is the whole problem with religion in general.  Which we both know so I won't go into it here.  But suffice it to say it is pre-rarional and you can be post-rational (transcending rationalism) which is much more advanced 

 

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[Elliott]

38 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

My grandfather always said religion was good about one thing.  Holding the family unit together 😀

"The words "religion" and "ligament" share the same linguistic root. Both descend from the Proto-Indo-European leig- (to tie or bind), and the Latin ligare (to bind or tie)."

 

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The problem is the whole problem with religion in general.  Which we both know so I won't go into it here.  

It's good for ignorant(unaccepting) tribes survival.  Perhaps religion is an extension of the socialiability in humans, 'accepting' or mimicking mental illness.

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[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Elliott said:

"The words "religion" and "ligament" share the same linguistic root. Both descend from the Proto-Indo-European leig- (to tie or bind), and the Latin ligare (to bind or tie)."

 

Wow that's interesting.  Yep you see so grandpa was onto something.  What i think is sad is that young kids are just indoctrined in with relatively no say.  Yes they can think for themselves so ultimately they can decide what they want to "believe" but the fact that they are just indoctrined in with no say is kind of messed up.  With Judaism there is no taking communion or anything like that it is much more laid back to me than Christianity.   By the way it doesn't surprise me that shamans had mental illness. There is a binding genetically between mental illness and mystical ability.  Imo.

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[Hojo]

Now religion makes those disorders, not cure them.

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[Ziran]

12 hours ago, Elliott said:

Rituals are OCD, washing, cleansing, purifying, ornamentals,  need to be perfectly clean, magical numbers, food rituals and beliefs, food prohibitions, prayer rituals.

Making a ritual is like making a layered birthday cake, where each and every layer is highly significant and reinforces the other layers.  The key is purity of intention, not perfection.  Lacking this purity the significance becomes diluted, and the ritual is weak.

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[Ziran]

3 hours ago, Elliott said:

"The words "religion" and "ligament" share the same linguistic root. Both descend from the Proto-Indo-European leig- (to tie or bind), and the Latin ligare (to bind or tie)."

It's good for ignorant(unaccepting) tribes survival.  Perhaps religion is an extension of the socialiability in humans, 'accepting' or mimicking mental illness.

A religion is necessary if the target of investigation is 100% different from any "thing" in the material realm, assuming there's more than material, of course.  Lacking any similar "thing", one would need a linkage, a conduit, a medium, a vessel.  

It's like making tea.  Fire and Water can't tolerate each other without a kettle between them.  Religion is the "kettle".

[Elliott]

41 minutes ago, Ziran said:

A religion is necessary if the target of investigation is 100% different from any "thing" in the material realm, assuming there's more than material, of course.  Lacking any similar "thing", one would need a linkage, a conduit, a medium, a vessel.  

It's like making tea.  Fire and Water can't tolerate each other without a kettle between them.  Religion is the "kettle".

How did the first person do it then?

[Ziran]

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

How did the first person do it then?

I'm sorry.  I'm not understanding the objection.  The first person, assuming there was only one, would necessarily utilize the same technique(s) to investigate some "thing" beyond the material realm.