I find it very hard to remove the idea that im biological being

[Ziran]

17 hours ago, Nevon said:

and it's aware of itself

"and" sequentially, or, "and" simultaneously?  If it's sequential that may be an obstacle. 

On 7/10/2026 at 6:03 PM, Nevon said:

my logical mind just couldn't let go the idea of im was born and im a biological being

... because your awareness is sequential?  When awareness is directed to the material form and its birth it's difficult to deny them?

 

[Yimpa]

21 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

The actuality of it

The actuality of it is God is everywhere. Even objects that are not considered biological, like a trash can, that is God. It’s not made up of atoms, it’s made up of Infinity. You are Infinity.

[Inliytened1]

40 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

The actuality of it is God is everywhere. Even objects that are not considered biological, like a trash can, that is God. It’s not made up of atoms, it’s made up of Infinity. You are Infinity.

That is not what I am saying.  With self inquiry you have to do a thorough investigation of what you truly believe you are. How can you wake up to what you really are if you do not know what you think you are. So we are really fucked here.  I can't even get him to give me one honest answer about what he thinks he is and yet - he has an identity.  Because he is here as him.

[Nevon]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

That is not what I am saying.  With self inquiry you have to do a thorough investigation of what you truly believe you are. How can you wake up to what you really are if you do not know what you think you are. So we are really fucked here.  I can't even get him to give me one honest answer about what he thinks he is and yet - he has an identity.  Because he is here as him.

Im at this point if u ask me to think of myself, my awareness instantly pointed to this direct presence experience,this is it, its not my face, my image, this is my honest answer, this is exactly what i think i am, stop denying my answer

 

 

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Nevon said:

Im at this point if u ask me to think of myself, my awareness instantly pointed to this direct presence experience,this is it, its not my face, my image, this is my honest answer, this is exactly what i think i am, stop denying my answer

 

 

Ok.  Then what i want you to realize is that you hold yourself as precisely that  "this direct presence experience,this is it, its not my face" that this IS your identity  but notice something. This is a fucking thought ! How can it be you when it was so not you that it was a flashing thought?! Fuck.   I mean where does that leave you then? Oh my fucking God there isnt a you.

So you have to keep doing that until something mystical happens and then that will be enlightenment. 

Edited 11 hours ago by Inliytened1

[AION]

@Inliytened1 so you are giving up?

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, AION said:

@Inliytened1 so you are giving up?

Not if you don't want to 

[AION]

38 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Not if you don't want to 

so what was your point?

[Breakingthewall]

On 11/7/2026 at 3:03 AM, Nevon said:

As per title, im doing guide exersice realizing im god, yes in this absolute presence experience it indeed became very strange, its just a mysterious divine bubble of screen appear out of nowhere, but again my logical mind just couldn't let go the idea of im was born and im a biological being,my mind came out alot of reason to convince me i was born for example what if my mom show me a video that i came out from her virgina, isn't that a concrete proof that i was born?

But again in my absolute presence experience i do not have the experience being born, im only notice my entire experience just mysteriously appear, in Leo guided exersice works are we suppose to deny past even exist? Although we seems like did live through the past.

 

Pls help me understand this

You don't need to deny that you're biological or that duality exists. Just don't focus on it. You don't walk down the street thinking, "I'm a biological being," do you?

If your purpose is to break down barriers, you won't achieve it by telling yourself they're false, but by focusing on what is now, without definitions. You have to step out of the level of conceptual structure and get into the level of being without definition. Not easy because the structured level gives security to us, we are very addicted to it. 

If what you do is change "I am material" to "I am pure consciousness," you're still in the structured realm, only now you're thinking spiritual things. In the non structured level there aren't (as it's obvious) structures. Then any structure like, I'm god or consciousness or anything, is just an structure. I think it's quite simple 

Edited 2 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Inliytened1]

11 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You don't need to deny that you're biological or that duality exists. Just don't focus on it. You don't walk down the street thinking, "I'm a biological being," do you?

If your purpose is to break down barriers, you won't achieve it by telling yourself they're false, but by focusing on what is now, without definitions. You have to step out of the level of conceptual structure and get into the level of being without definition. Not easy because the structured level gives security to us, we are very addicted to it. 

If what you do is change "I am material" to "I am pure consciousness," you're still in the structured realm, only now you're thinking spiritual things. In the non structured level there aren't (as it's obvious) structures. Then any structure like, I'm god or consciousness or anything, is just an structure. I think it's quite simple 

Well..what you come to find out is that the you is an idea.   Because all you have is ideas. So anything you believe you are is an idea.  I forgot to mention that earlier but that i think is what yiu are saying.   Realizing you are an idea can be enough to drop the ego and trigger a shift in consciousness.   But you have to realize it so profoundly that it brings about enlightenment. 

[Breakingthewall]

26 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Well..what you come to find out is that the you is an idea.   Because all you have is ideas. So anything you believe you are is an idea.  I forgot to mention that earlier but that i think is what yiu are saying.   Realizing you are an idea can be enough to drop the ego and trigger a shift in consciousness.   But you have to realize it so profoundly that it brings about enlightenment. 

Ideas are not false; they are ideas, mental structures. They can define reality quite accurately, up to a point. Spiritual awakening is not about thinking that ideas are false (which would be another idea ), but about opening yourself to the reality of absolute being.

To achieve this, you must dissolve all your limits, both energetic and conceptual, and at that level, you know absolutely nothing, what remains is the direct fact that reality is, but that is absolutely everything. It's unfathomable and implies everything, absolutely full. That's enlightenment, nothing else. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Inliytened1]

11 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Ideas are not false; they are ideas, mental structures. They can define reality quite accurately, up to a point. Spiritual awakening is not about thinking that ideas are false (which would be another idea altogether), but about opening yourself to the reality of absolute being.

To achieve this, you must dissolve all your limits, both energetic and conceptual, and at that level, you know absolutely nothing, only that reality is, but that is absolutely everything. It's unfathomable and implies everything, absolutely full. That's enlightenment, nothing else. 

Yes that can be effective but I am talking more specifically about awakening to no self.  For that me I realized that what I thought was my identity was an idea.  For example in my case i believed I was an entity behind the eyes.  Like an invisible entity.  A soul. I knew I couldn't find this anywhere in space though.  And that is when I realized it actually existed as an idea.  Thats what i was. Not metaphorically but quite literally.

Edited 2 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

22 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yes that can be effective but I am talking more specifically about awakening to no self.  For that me I realized that what I thought was my identity was an idea.  For example in my case i believed I was an entity behind the eyes.  Like an invisible entity.  A soul. I knew I couldn't find the anywhere in space though.  And that is when I realized it actually existed as an idea.  Thats what i was. Not metaphorically but quite literally.

I've never thought of it as an identity behind the eyes, and I'd say most people don't either. Usually people think we don't want to be slaves or losers in the group, and how do we get money and women and don't get a cancer, things like that.

  You don't go through life thinking you're behind the eyes and then, upon reflection, realize you're nothing. All of that is just your own personal ideas. Enlightenment has nothing to do with that; it's about dissolving all barriers.

Believing you're nothing is a barrier, or that there is no self. All of that is just spiritual ideas. Enlightenment is actual; it's the totality of being without any boundaries or limits. As the Hindus say, Sat Chit Ananda: the total, unlimited being that is aware of itself and it's total, absolute, then manifest as Ananda, perfect joy because nothing limits it 

Edited 1 hour ago by Breakingthewall

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

I've never thought of it as an identity behind the eyes, and I'd say most people don't either. We think we don't want to be slaves or losers in the group, and how do we get money and women, things like that.

  You don't go through life thinking you're behind the eyes and then, upon reflection, realize you're nothing.

It worked for me and I just followed self inquiry.