I find it very hard to remove the idea that im biological being

[AION]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

Not I guess  its like this. When I ask you what you are something pops into your mind. Whatever that is is your identity and it must be proven false. 

Ok

[Hojo]

10 hours ago, Nevon said:

Why a field cannot be me? This field is happening to me, ever since i came out of existance, this field it's been here the entire time its undeniable

If you can perceive, neti neti means you are not that.

[Nevon]

6 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Um no. That's where you are wrong you have an identity that you hold. We just have to find what it is and you have hidden it so down deep that not even you can find it. But that's ok. We will find it.  Again. What comes to mind when you think of you. 

In my presence experience experience there is nothing inside of me bruh, everything its on the interface, this bubble of first person experience, even when you told me to think of myself, next thought arise within my field pointing "i am this field" .

The identity im holding to, is not in deep down, its very obvious, right now this moment that's happening to me, this colourful field of screen its illuminating itself

U need to come out point to counter why my answer isn't correct, otherwise it's gonna be the same answer over and over again 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Nevon

[Nevon]

2 hours ago, Hojo said:

If you can perceive, neti neti means you are not that.

Who say that? Why not everything i perceive is me, for example you are looking at chair, that chair is happening in your field, hence that chair is you, if you say the chair isn't you, mean you are imagine a distinction to saperate yourself with a chair

Edited 3 hours ago by Nevon

[Hojo]

@Nevon Then go jerk off in front of your family right now.

Theres no difference between them being in the room and not.

I say that because you dont act like it.

Its schizophrenic logic.

You would just walk down the street naked, why not?

You cant do it because society deems this insane.

Edited 3 hours ago by Hojo

[Nevon]

29 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Nevon Then go jerk off in front of your family right now.

Theres no difference between them being in the room and not.

I say that because you dont act like it.

Its schizophrenic logic.

You would just walk down the street naked, why not?

You cant do it because society deems this insane.

Dude im talking about consciousness in absolute perspective, 

You seem confusing 2 different levels of reality. I'm talking about the absolute nature of experience, not how to behave in society,from the absolute perspective, everything appears within the same consciousness, so the distinction between "me" and "chair"  its just something you made up from your mind

From the relative perspective, there are still body, laws, and social consequences. Realizing nonduality doesn't erase relative reality. It simply means that, at a deeper level, all distinctions arise within the same field of awareness.

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Nevon said:

In my presence experience experience there is nothing inside of me bruh, everything its on the interface, this bubble of first person experience, even when you told me to think of myself, next thought arise within my field pointing "i am this field" .

The identity im holding to, is not in deep down, its very obvious, right now this moment that's happening to me, this colourful field of screen its illuminating itself

U need to come out point to counter why my answer isn't correct, otherwise it's gonna be the same answer over and over again 

 

 

Thats because you are full of shit.   You have an identity.  What is it. When you go into a classroom what do folks see. What do you see yourself as.  Answer it.

[Hojo]

@Nevon Why are you making a post if you already know?

You are speaking from both perspective simultaneously and then asking a question about one state to the other?

You are speaking as if the states arent the same but are the same somehow.

Edited 2 hours ago by Hojo

[Nevon]

6 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Thats because you are full of shit.   You have an identity.  What is it. When you go into a classroom what do folks see. What do you see yourself as.  Answer it.

What's wrong having an identity? even Leo keep saying over and over again "i am god"

When i go into a classroom, im seeing a classroom, a field of classroom appear in my first person view,

I see my entire screen morph into a classroom

And im talking about consciousness in absolute perspective 

I think the problem is that you are not operating on my level, im not sure what type of game you are playing, stop trying to confuse yourself by keep thinking who you really are, just shut up and observe raw reality as it is ,without a filter of concept and ideas.

[Nevon]

23 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Nevon Why are you making a post if you already know?

 

I'm practicing Leo contemplative exercises on realizing God-consciousness. One of his central claims is that "you are not a biological being" and that "being biological" is an idea that should be questioned or dropped during contemplation.

I'm taking this practice seriously, but this is the part I struggle with. I genuinely don't understand how to see through the idea that I'm not a biological organism.

I'm not trying to argue or troll anyone. I'm asking whether someone who understands this teaching can explain why.

Edited 2 hours ago by Nevon

[Hojo]

@Nevon This is the opposite of taking it seriously. You are asking a question from a place you dont know then arguing a point of having knowing while never experiencing it.

That means you already have an idea of what it is without knowing if the idea is right. But arguing as if your idea is right.

Edited 2 hours ago by Hojo

[Nevon]

4 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Nevon This is the opposite of taking it seriously. You are asking a question from a place you dont know then arguing a point of having knowing while never experiencing it.

I've been doing contemplative and spiritual practice for about 10 years, and I do have some degree of realization. I'm not claiming full enlightenment or perfect understanding.

The reason I'm asking is because there are still aspects of Leo's teaching that I haven't fully seen for myself,especially the claim that I'm not fundamentally a biological being.

So I'm not arguing from certainty. I'm asking from the edge of my own realization. If you've realized what Leo is pointing to, I'd appreciate an explanation rather than being told I'm not taking it seriously.

[Inliytened1]

28 minutes ago, Nevon said:

What's wrong having an identity? even Leo keep saying over and over again "i am god"

When i go into a classroom, im seeing a classroom, a field of classroom appear in my first person view,

I see my entire screen morph into a classroom

And im talking about consciousness in absolute perspective 

I think the problem is that you are not operating on my level, im not sure what type of game you are playing, stop trying to confuse yourself by keep thinking who you really are, just shut up and observe raw reality as it is ,without a filter of concept and ideas.

No what do the people looking back at you see 

[Nevon]

6 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

No what do the people looking back at you see 

They see a person, my human body

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Nevon said:

They see a person, my human body

No.  What image is in your mind now of what they see.

[Nevon]

8 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

No.  What image is in your mind now of what they see.

The image in my mind is that they see a human being , my face, my body, my appearance

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Nevon said:

The image in my mind is that they see a human being , my face, my body, my appearance

With me I pictured myself.  It was like a still photo of when I was young.  Just what I randomly picked.  Thats what I thought about myself.  How my face looked. Is there something like this for you.  Like how you picture yourself. 

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Nevon said:

The image in my mind is that they see a human being , my face, my body, my appearance

There is no intimacy that you have with yourself.  Are you able to really sit and be with yourself ? It almost seems that is lacking within you.  This is a problem when it will come to enlightenment.  You cannot run from yourself.  Enlightenment is about facing yourself.   But first you must know what you are.

[Yimpa]

you’re not located in physical space. you are located in and as consciousness itself; which is infinite spaceless space.

[Inliytened1]

16 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

you’re not located in physical space. you are located in and as consciousness itself; which is infinite spaceless space.

Well notice that too is something held in your mind.   Whatever infinite space less space is.  That is held in your mind as something. That is what we want to get to. The actuality of it  

Edited 4 minutes ago by Inliytened1