Idiocy

[Schizophonia]

It is difficult to understand the topic because the signified is hidden under ramblings.

As I see it, it is easier to become neurotic in this day and age. Social media instills and perpetuates new ego-driven loops.
Jobs and means of livelihood are less natural, and it is easier to become self-absorbed as a way to avoid radicality.

The answer to alienation is radicality—anything powerful enough to wrest attention away from the objects with which the ego identifies and suffers.
Sports, high-quality food, and art in general represent radicality.

[Mellowmarsh]

5 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

I just don't feel these guys are on the same level as Ralston, Gura, or Tolle or Spira. No where near it 

Do these different levels have their own ceilings?

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Do these different levels have their own ceilings?

Yeah. They do. And I've about hit Leo's ceiling.  Kind of sick of his narcissism.

[Breakingthewall]

On 11/7/2026 at 1:00 PM, Schizophonia said:

It is difficult to understand the topic because the signified is hidden under ramblings.

As I see it, it is easier to become neurotic in this day and age. Social media instills and perpetuates new ego-driven loops.
Jobs and means of livelihood are less natural, and it is easier to become self-absorbed as a way to avoid radicality.

The answer to alienation is radicality—anything powerful enough to wrest attention away from the objects with which the ego identifies and suffers.
Sports, high-quality food, and art in general represent radicality.

It is not that identifying with the ego has become easier today. What has changed is the entire vector of human existence.

For most of human history, individuals saw themselves as parts sustained by a higher structure: God, the nation, the family, an ideal, whatever it might be. The individual was a component within a greater whole, and the mind was largely shaped and constrained by shared dogmas.

After industrial revolution little by little a profound shift took place. Individualism became the dominant cultural framework. Each person came to see themselves as the center of their own reality, and the purpose of life became the pursuit of the greatest possible well-being. The supreme value became living the best life possible.

I am not arguing whether this change is good or bad. I am pointing out that it happened. And once it happened, the vector of existence changed.
The individual now experiences themselves primarily as a receiver. They receive experiences, pleasure and pain, approval and rejection. What is positive is being valued by others, attaining status, being admired, having pleasurable experiences. What is negative is the opposite.

Because the desired standards are rarely fully attained, the psyche tends to experience itself as fundamentally insufficient. It sees itself as a character that falls short of an ideal. Life gradually becomes an attempt to compensate for what feels shamefully inadequate and to move closer to that ideal. This is the soil in which neuroticism flourishes.
This is the development of an individual who no longer feels supported by anything greater than themselves. In the absence of such support, they seek it in the gaze of others, who are themselves caught in exactly the same game.

The result is a deep background anxiety, managed through a continuous cycle of consuming content, maintaining a social life, chasing relationships that often become frustrating, alcohol, and projecting fulfillment into the future.

It seems that this way of living is just a transitional one. It is an intermediate phase leading toward another mode of existence. That is what we are exploring here (in spirituality in general). the individual that finds the support in itself, the absolute integrity that arises when the individual open itself to it's nature, that is inseparable of the reality itself. It's not solipsism but interconnection, absence of limits and constantly access to what is, to the unlimited being that everything is. 

Edited Sunday at 06:10 PM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

The point is that a human has a genetic structure that will create identity. It's like an embryo that, as soon as it receives the necessary stimulus, begins to develop.

Without a real structure created by generations and the brutal imposition of reality, identity is organized around fluid values, and the fluid individual suffers from a default imbalance.

They are constantly compensating for this, and that translates into anxiety as the basis of existence. This is a very complicated labyrinth, an enigma that the evolutionary force that is human life tries to solve. Life is always in movement, changing, finding new possibilities, and that's what we are. 

[VeganAwake]

11 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The point is that a human has a genetic structure that will create identity. It's like an embryo that, as soon as it receives the necessary stimulus, begins to develop.

Without a real structure created by generations and the brutal imposition of reality, identity is organized around fluid values, and the fluid individual suffers from a default imbalance.

They are constantly compensating for this, and that translates into anxiety as the basis of existence. This is a very complicated labyrinth, an enigma that the evolutionary force that is human life tries to solve. Life is always in movement, changing, finding new possibilities, and that's what we are. 

What you describe as "created identity" is just the bodily senses coupled with a conditioned spiritual imagination. It's an illusion!

There are absolutely limits, a shit ton of them actually.........you can't breathe underwater, you can't fly, you can't time travel, you can't create something out of nothing, you can't survive without food and water, you can't outrun a cheetah, you can't lift 1000 lbs, you can't predict the future, you can't guess how many fingers I'm holding up.

Nobody is all of reality, (there isn't a you, that is that) .........and even if there was, it wouldn't matter or change anything because you don't get to reap any of those benefits that a god-like entity would experience. Brainwashing yourself into delusion, is not liberation or enlightenment........it's just delusion!!!

So in that sense, nothing you are attempting to convince anyone of, matters in any way whatsoever, it's a completely fictional, meaningless, useless communication.

It sounds cool but ultimately lacks in any kind of matterable sense 🤔 

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, VeganAwake said:

What you describe as "created identity" is just the bodily senses coupled with a conditioned spiritual imagination. It's an illusion!

There are absolutely limits, a shit ton of them actually.........you can't breathe underwater, you can't fly, you can't time travel, you can't create something out of nothing, you can't survive without food and water, you can't outrun a cheetah, you can't lift 1000 lbs, you can't predict the future, you can't guess how many fingers I'm holding up.

Nobody is all of reality, (there isn't a you, that is that) .........and even if there was, it wouldn't matter or change anything because you don't get to reap any of those benefits that a god-like entity would experience. Brainwashing yourself into delusion, is not liberation or enlightenment........it's just delusion!!!

So in that sense, nothing you are attempting to convince anyone of, matters in any way whatsoever, it's a completely fictional, meaningless, useless communication.

It sounds cool but ultimately lacks in any kind of matterable sense 🤔

Nuff said. 💯

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

What you describe as "created identity" is just the bodily senses coupled with a conditioned spiritual imagination. It's an illusion!

There are absolutely limits, a shit ton of them actually.........you can't breathe underwater, you can't fly, you can't time travel, you can't create something out of nothing, you can't survive without food and water, you can't outrun a cheetah, you can't lift 1000 lbs, you can't predict the future, you can't guess how many fingers I'm holding up.

Nobody is all of reality, (there isn't a you, that is that) .........and even if there was, it wouldn't matter or change anything because you don't get to reap any of those benefits that a god-like entity would experience. Brainwashing yourself into delusion, is not liberation or enlightenment........it's just delusion!!!

So in that sense, nothing you are attempting to convince anyone of, matters in any way whatsoever, it's a completely fictional, meaningless, useless communication.

It sounds cool but ultimately lacks in any kind of matterable sense 🤔 

There is an identity and sense of self uncoded in the brain by genetics created by evolution. If you feel happy calling it illusion, good for you. But "Ilusion" is an idea that the self made. 

Edited yesterday at 11:36 AM by Breakingthewall

[VeganAwake]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

There is an identity and sense of self uncoded in the brain by genetics created by evolution. If you feel happy calling it illusion, good for you. But "Ilusion" is an idea that the self made. 

Yeah, I wouldn't describe it as being genetically encoded in the brain really, it's more like the entirety of the organism, it's predisposition like you mentioned...... just like a bear, deer, cat or fish.

But for some reason in the human mind/brain, this identity gets taken to a whole different extreme. It builds layers on top of layers, concepts on top of concepts, bundles & bundles of self referential thoughts, preferences and memories, beliefs on top of beliefs.

It's like the mind becomes an entity in- of-itself and then appears as the forefront of the entire operating system of the human. The more identity food (conditioning) it's given, the bigger and more complex this identity seems to become. And with all these needy preferences and beliefs, comes a lot of psychological suffering.....like a constant state of feeling alone, separate and overwhelmed.

This entire operating system of identification is what's referred to as the "ME" or "Ego" it's very heavy and feels dense.

Sometimes, although very rare, this entire identification operating system can die/collapse and simultaneously be recognized as having never been real in the first place.

When this seems to occur, it's like a ton of bricks dropped off the mind and shoulders of the body/mind organism. It's incredible just how much energy goes into this fictional self construct.

One of the big symptoms of this phenomenon is that seeking ends. 

But nobody comes out enlightened or liberated on the other side. That whole heavy identity is completely shattered, never to return. Not because something really got shattered, because it's clearly recognized as having never been.

It also becomes very clear and obvious how this big self illusion becomes formed over a period of time. Basically that entire past process of the self identity being created is clearly and totally seen through.

AND THIS IS WHAT REAL ENLIGHTENMENT, SAMADHI, AWAKENING, LIBERATION, NIRVANA, NO SELF, NONDUALITY, ACTUALLY IS.

 

It has nothing at all to do with believing "I am god" or "I am that" or "I am all of reality" ...........those would just be more spirituality conditioned concepts stemming from an illusory identification.........meaning enlightenment definitely hasn't occurred for the body proclaiming such stories.

It's unknowing, just like Ralston describes 

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

It has nothing at all to do with believing "I am god" or "I am that" or "I am all of reality" ...........those would just be more spirituality conditioned concepts stemming from an illusory identification.........meaning enlightenment definitely hasn't occurred for the body proclaiming such stories.

It's unknowing, just like Ralston describes 

I never said I'm god, I say that what you can know is that you are. Not that you are something, just you are. This is not a logical deduction or an identification, its the very fact of being now. 

But then you could do an easy deduction that is: I am, reality is, so I'm not different of reality, both are the fact of being, that is always the same. Not "all" the reality, but a manifestation of the reality, that essentially is the reality, and any other manifestation.

Ralston says that you can't know nothing, but that's false, you can know everything: you are. That is everything. You don't need to know all the manifestations of being, they are manifestations of being, that's enough. 

Of course now you will say that this is an illusion and I believe I'm god, without having understood what im saying. 

2 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

But for some reason in the human mind/brain, this identity gets taken to a whole different extreme. It builds layers on top of layers, concepts on top of concepts, bundles & bundles of self referential thoughts, preferences and memories, beliefs on top of beliefs.

It's like the mind becomes an entity in- of-itself and then appears as the forefront of the entire operating system of the human. The more identity food (conditioning) it's given, the bigger and more complex this identity seems to become. And with all these needy preferences and beliefs, comes a lot of psychological suffering.....like a constant state of feeling alone, separate and overwhelmed.

This entire operating system of identification is what's referred to as the "ME" or "Ego" it's very heavy and feels dense.

Agree, that's what happens, but not because those ideas are false but because the mind gets conditioned by barriers that encloses it, like the need of being accepted.

You can't say that the need of being accepted is an illusion, it's an emotion that's happening. Maybe for you being a homeless who nobody talks is the same than be loved by your girlfriend and having a family, but for many people it's different, then they fear don't being accepted and then they construct a character full of lies to being accepted because they never received unconditional love but conditional love. 

That's not an illusion, it's a fact. You can face that's character and become integral, but that doesn't implies that the fear of being rejected that is the basis of the ego was an illusion. Fear is fear, is something that happens. 

Edited 18 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[VeganAwake]

10 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

That's not an illusion, it's a fact. 

We're just not talking about the same thing, and that's ok!

There wasn't a good reason to butt in on your topic!    All is well!

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

We're just not talking about the same thing, and that's ok!

There wasn't a good reason to butt in on your topic!    All is well!

No problem, just admit that you are wrong and I'm right, then everything would be ok 😘

[Mellowmarsh]

43 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

No problem, just admit that you are wrong and I'm right, then everything would be ok 😘

“The real remains the same without changing. But everything changes in life, so the real, which the mind thinks is real, is illusory. The sages realised that the real in life is illusory, meaning, to the mind, that the real appears to be in life, whereas it is not in life as an actuality. ‘Neti Neti’ means ‘not this, not this’ or ‘neither this nor that’, to signify that ‘this’ or ‘that’ is illusory and not real.

Illusory means the real exists, but the existence of real is illusory, to mean the real does not exist in the manner the mind thinks it exists. The illusory exists as a play of light and sound, which gives rise to a deception of reality.

The real that exists in the world, including the world, is illusory because every atom of the real that exists is light. Therefore, the real that exists is an illusion of light and not an actuality. The sages have rightly proclaimed that life is a play of light and sound, without a real cause or effect, and that light, which has no real cause, reflects only illusory effects of reality.

Therefore, the real or advaita cannot be known, taught, practised, searched or experienced. Only the illusory can be known, taught, practised, searched and experienced. To understand that life, as the mind thinks it is, is illusory is advaita, non-duality or absolute understanding. Life has gifted the mind only to man, so that he may understand his own mind. This absolute understanding leads to enlightenment.“

 

https://www.academy-advaita.com/en/

Edited 8 hours ago by Mellowmarsh

[Breakingthewall]

@Mellowmarsh that's a mess unnecessary to explain something extremely simple:  Reality is. Being happens in multiple forms but all of them are. Forms change, being is absolute. Forms are limited, being is unlimited. The fact of being is inevitable due the limitlessness. 

And that's it. No mystery, 0=1-1 . The end. 

What's more complex is understanding the human dynamics.