Smart people are happy: understanding intelligence

[AION]

This applies so much to this forum lol 

 

[enchanted]

Yes I routinely have this thought too and not because I'm more intelligent than anyone else. 

When a person is upset, they simply weren't intelligent/conscious enough to find out how to be happy in that situation (yet). OR they weren't intelligent enough to avoid the situation in the first place. 

Obviously we should sympathize with people in chronic pain, or other health problems, or severe tragedies. That doesn't apply to what I'm saying. 

Edited yesterday at 02:26 PM by enchanted

[Miguel1]

I think there is a thread about this that was created recently.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

You can be as smart as you want and still won't be able to achieve anything due to bad luck and genetics. Willpower and discipline have a genetic component, and they are definitely separate from inteligence. Seems like you just want to indirectly toot your own horn by negging yet again, to feel superior

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I haven't seen a link or pattern between intelligence and happiness.

That being said I can't watch Orion, I get gross vibes. 

[Miguel1]

10 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

That being said I can't watch Orion, I get gross vibes. 

I appreciate Dr. Ana’s work.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Miguel1 same! Thanks for the link 🙃

[Elliott]

Gives me gross vibes too, he was great when he started but he got a whiff of the manosphere clicks and sold out. Fuck him. I think I tried to introduce his content here when he first started.....

[Natasha Tori Maru]

16 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Gives me gross vibes too, he was great when he started but he got a whiff of the manosphere clicks and sold out. Fuck him. I think I tried to introduce his content here when he first started.....

When he first started he was good - I agree 100%.

I feel like he fell into manosphere content in the same slow boil manner people who are chronically online and chained to their algorithm do.

It is sad to see a psychologist become corrupt.

[Elliott]

Trying to slide into the Jordan peterson void

[Joseph Maynor]

He actually has some great insights in the video.  

[enchanted]

12 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I haven't seen a link or pattern between intelligence and happiness.

That being said I can't watch Orion, I get gross vibes. 

Then maybe  you haven't seen true intelligence.

Yes there is something off about Orion. 

[StaraX]

@Natasha Tori Maru How do you define intelligence? To what extent do you believe in the psychometric definition of intelligence, which is IQ? And what do you think about people like Jordan Peterson, who say that IQ defines your whole life (health, career success, life expectancy, divorce, etc.), and that you can't do anything about it? 

I've sensed that Mr. Gura has slowly shifted his views toward Jordan Peterson's perspective over the last few years.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@StaraX I've never thought on it. 

I suppose I would define intelligence as the ability to learn, understand, reason, adapt, and solve problems across a wide range of situations (not limited to this). I don't believe IQ is a good measure of intelligence (or a measure of it in it's totality, at all). If that is Jordan Peterson's definition and conclusions regarding IQ / intelligence I would not adopt it, personally. It sounds like a limiting frame.

I generally think emotional health, relationships, and meaning are much stronger determinants of a happy life. Intelligence would have a much weaker positive correlation comparitively - I personally haven't seen it, or been able to detect it.

How about yourself? 

Edited 6 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Possibly to expand on the above definition to encapsulate more:

"Intelligence is the capacity to build accurate models of reality, and use those models to achieve goals across set of diverse domains"

Which is sort of all the parts of my deconstructed and simplified definition above is getting at.

Edited 6 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[integral]

Happyness mastery

1. Unable to stop thinking and worry about one's life story, can't turn off the life story.
2. Physical health, pain, poor sleep, lack of exercise, hormonal problems, its a biological engineering problem that has to be solved

3. How someone relates to everything, Example: "should" thinking. This is how things "should be". Is a person chasing how they want the world to be instead of what the world actually is and connecting with it as it is.

4. All of your relationships, because other people's states of mind and capacity to be, directly affects us to the point or it's very hard to separate. So if the quality of our relationships is bad and if we have to deal with these people everyday then were going to be unhappy vai osmosis

5. Open awareness and felt inner body awareness at all times and relaxed in the environment. (working and doing anything while aware of one's inner felt body relaxed, muscles, auditory surroundings, tone of voice. Try reading while being fully aware of your entire body and all of its relaxed muscles and the relaxation in the voice in your head + all of the auditory environment sounds. This is a category of mindfulness.  interoception is awareness of the inner body (muscle tone, breath, fingertips, the felt sense of relaxation), and exteroception is awareness of the surroundings (hearing the room, sensing space). Gymnasts tend to be naturally in the state it's a type of awareness of proprioception. Proprioception of, the body, the breath, movement, the air, even ones thoughts. This gives rise to contentness from a knowing that nothing is happening that there's nowhere to go and there's nothing to do.

 

Edited 4 hours ago by integral

[enchanted]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Possibly to expand on the above definition to encapsulate more:

"Intelligence is the capacity to build accurate models of reality, and use those models to achieve goals across set of diverse domains"

Which is sort of all the parts of my deconstructed and simplified definition above is getting at.

Love it

[StaraX]

5 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@StaraX I've never thought on it. 

I suppose I would define intelligence as the ability to learn, understand, reason, adapt, and solve problems across a wide range of situations (not limited to this). I don't believe IQ is a good measure of intelligence (or a measure of it in it's totality, at all). If that is Jordan Peterson's definition and conclusions regarding IQ / intelligence I would not adopt it, personally. It sounds like a limiting frame.

I generally think emotional health, relationships, and meaning are much stronger determinants of a happy life. Intelligence would have a much weaker positive correlation comparitively - I personally haven't seen it, or been able to detect it.

How about yourself? 

@Natasha Tori Maru  My mind constantly keeps telling me that JP is correct because he has proved it empirically. Also, there is so much empirical evidence supporting his claims from the past 50 years or so... I've tried to question those claims since 2018, but then my mind keeps telling me, "The truth is harsh, and you have very limited abilities." 

This is especially the case when I'm facing complex tasks.