Resource: Jiddu Krishnamurti - There is no one to guide you

[Davino]

 

Sometimes Jiddu makes very intelligent points. He's a an honest philosopher.

[Breakingthewall]

He tells you not to believe in any teacher, only yourself, and then he writes 20 books saying what is right and what is wrong, again and again. Then, I follow his advice and I don't believe a single word of him. 

[enchanted]

My favorite quote by K is "a man in the persuit of becoming something, is a very sick man"

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, enchanted said:

My favorite quote by K is "a man in the persuit of becoming something, is a very sick man"

Then becoming an artist, a doctor, a mystic, a sailor or a integral man is sick. You need to be already that. Well it doesn't work like that. Humans have to fight, life fights. 

[enchanted]

29 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then becoming an artist, a doctor, a mystic, a sailor or a integral man is sick. You need to be already that. Well it doesn't work like that. Humans have to fight, life fights. 

K would reply that one shouldn't "become" a doctor but do what feels natural. 

Edited 4 hours ago by enchanted

[enchanted]

36 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Humans have to fight, life fights. 

Krishnamurti would disagree with that. Life is only a fight because we are perusing our egos and trying to become something. 

Krishnamurti would say a bud doesn't try and become a flower yet it does anyway. 

[Mellowmarsh]

54 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then becoming an artist, a doctor, a mystic, a sailor or an integral man is sick. You need to be already that. Well it doesn't work like that. Humans have to fight, life fights. 

I think the point he is making imho, is to do enjoy being of service to others without making it a something to take credit for. Just do it for the love of service to others, and to not try to out stand someone else, in other words don’t put yourself above others because even the road sweeper or toilet cleaner is equal to a brain surgeon. Those that work together, stay together, so to speak. Collaboration builds trust and connection. That’s got to be a good idea.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, enchanted said:

K would reply that one shouldn't "become" a doctor but do what feels natural. 

1 hour ago, enchanted said:

 

Then you never would do a surgery, because it's not natural. You have to become a surgeon, and this is a long and difficult path. In any real path you will give your best and that's what life is. 

[Breakingthewall]

24 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

I think the point he is making imho, is to do enjoy being of service to others without making it a something to take credit for. Just do it for the love of service to others, and to not try to out stand someone else, in other words don’t put yourself above others because even the road sweeper or toilet cleaner is equal to a brain surgeon. Those that work together, stay together, so to speak. Collaboration builds trust and connection. That’s got to be a good idea.

He didn't say that in the quote we are commenting, he said that a man who's trying to be something is sick 

 

54 minutes ago, enchanted said:

Krishnamurti would disagree with that. Life is only a fight because we are perusing our egos and trying to become something. 

Krishnamurti would say a bud doesn't try and become a flower yet it does anyway. 

Sure, then let's be flowers and buds. He said that in a conference after flying in a plane in business class?

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

He didn't say that in the quote we are commenting, he said that a man who's trying to be something is sick 

Interpret that however you want. It’s your prerogative. 
 

I interpret JK’s statement to mean there’s no try, there’s either, you do or you don’t , then commit fully without trying.

Just be, without claiming, no claim no blame, no fame. I personally like that selfless approach to being.. but that’s just me.

[James123]

5 hours ago, Davino said:

 

Sometimes Jiddu makes very intelligent points. He's a an honest philosopher.

Listen him.

[Breakingthewall]

24 minutes ago, James123 said:

Listen him.

Yes, I've listened. He says no one can tell you what to do, that any guidance is absurd. Meanwhile, he gives lectures guiding people.

Seriously, every human has consumed tons of content, books, philosophy, etc., and from all of it has intuited a path and followed it. That's guidance, and it's unavoidable.

A human without the guidance of other humans is nothing; he wouldn't know how to speak, think, hunt, or anything, and would die quickly. K just talks nonsense, one thing after another.

[James123]

37 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, I've listened. He says no one can tell you what to do, that any guidance is absurd. Meanwhile, he gives lectures guiding people.

Seriously, every human has consumed tons of content, books, philosophy, etc., and from all of it has intuited a path and followed it. That's guidance, and it's unavoidable.

A human without the guidance of other humans is nothing; he wouldn't know how to speak, think, hunt, or anything, and would die quickly. K just talks nonsense, one thing after another.

He is saying no one can help you, he is correct. Because, you are the one who surrenders not him.

He gives structure to how to surrender, but can not surrender for you.

[Breakingthewall]

56 minutes ago, James123 said:

He is saying no one can help you, he is correct. Because, you are the one who surrenders not him.

He gives structure to how to surrender, but can not surrender for you.

2 hours ago, James123 said:

 

A lot of people helped me, I listened many people, without them maybe I would be a drug addict or a psycho, or suicidal depressed, or worse, a reggaeton composer. For example I listened to the fucking Krishnamurti when I was 17, but now I see that he is full of lies. Could be useful because the difference between zero spirituality to know that spirituality exist through Krishnamurti is huge, but he's full of mistakes to a level that is impossible to take him seriously 

[enchanted]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Sure, then let's be flowers and buds. He said that in a conference after flying in a plane in business class?

If he never did we wouldn't never had heard his message. There's pros and cons. And paradoxes everywhere you look. As a fan of Leo you should know that 

Edited 2 minutes ago by enchanted

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

He gives structure to how to surrender, but can not surrender for you

Obviously, nobody could do anything for you, you have to eat, do shit and everything, but many people can explain you things about reality that helps you to live and be free. 

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, enchanted said:

If he never did we wouldn't never had heard message. There's pros and cons. And paradoxes everywhere you look. As a fan of Leo you should know that 

So, he lives in a civilization made with enormous effort and he says that this civilization is a mistake because flowers happen without effort. Wrong, flowers happen after an evolutionary war that endures billions of years, same than civilization. 

What Krishnamurti think about lions? Are they wrong doing such effort to hunt preys? Only flowers are allowed? Because animals are in permanent war, same than anything that lives. 

[Sugarcoat]

"No one to guide you" 

*posts content from spiritual teacher saying it*

[Davino]

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"No one to guide you" 

 

*posts content from spiritual teacher saying it*

[James123]

16 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

A lot of people helped me, I listened many people, without them maybe I would be a drug addict or a psycho, or suicidal depressed, or worse, a reggaeton composer. For example I listened to the fucking Krishnamurti when I was 17, but now I see that he is full of lies. Could be useful because the difference between zero spirituality to know that spirituality exist through Krishnamurti is huge, but he's full of mistakes to a level that is impossible to take him seriously 

Only, when you realize that there is psycho or lovely, you can be free.

But this is you path, I respect that.