Jim Newman is really good.

[Elliott]

17 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Aha, I'm sorry, I just didn't understand ur reasoning. You seemed to imply that the fact that he was holding retreats somehow meant that the message was confusing. (That would imply that every spiritual teacher who holds retreats is somehow sharing a confusing message) Retreats are simply an opportunity to go into things in more depth. And to get a real feel for the energy of the teacher in person.

I mentioned the retreats and price ($1500) because you said you don't think he does this for money because he only charges $10 for zoom conferences.

 

 

Edited Monday at 08:19 PM by Elliott

[Wilhelm44]

1 minute ago, Elliott said:

I mentioned the retreats and price ($1500) because you said you don't think he does this for money because he only charges $10 for zoom conferences.

I think I misunderstood you, I thought you meant he's just in it for the business.

But sure, I don't have a problem with spiritual teachers charging money for retreats etc.

Youtube is free. Retreats they make a living from. Sounds fair to me.

[Joseph Maynor]

18 hours ago, Someone here said:

Very well ..and how exactly is any of that going to help me get a redhead American girlfriend? 😂

Good luck with this one bro.  

[Sugarcoat]

On 2026-06-29 at 1:06 PM, Wilhelm44 said:

Yeah, when I listen to him, I would almost compare it to a type of psychedelic, it's like I can feel an unravelling happening in the background, without any effort on my part.

I think its rare someone watching has that experience actually

[Sugarcoat]

17 hours ago, Elliott said:

I mentioned the retreats and price ($1500) because you said you don't think he does this for money because he only charges $10 for zoom conferences.

 

 

I remember seeing that guy on YouTube years back, funny watching someone describe the community from the outside in humorous way 

[Sugarcoat]

On 2026-06-29 at 1:33 PM, Wilhelm44 said:

Okay, but the "look at your hand" exercise of Leo, is also pointing to what Jim is saying about: It's already here now

Its trying

[VeganAwake]

I had never heard of Jim until after seeing through the self illusion. 

Interestingly it was one or two of Leo's self inquiry/introspection videos and then a couple lines from an Adyashanti video that seemed very meaningful at the time!

But these catalysts have to be taken with a grain of salt because there was already an openness and a feeling like there was something right under my nose that was always there, but being overlooked.

Like an examination outside of a personal perspective. An empty and innocent introspection. 

 

 

"When the student is ready the teacher appears" 

- multiple philosophical traditions

[Wilhelm44]

5 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

I think its rare someone watching has that experience actually

What makes you think it's rare ?

[Wilhelm44]

5 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

I had never heard of Jim until after seeing through the self illusion. 

Interestingly it was one or two of Leo's self inquiry/introspection videos and then a couple lines from an Adyashanti video that seemed very meaningful at the time!

But these catalysts have to be taken with a grain of salt because there was already an openness and a feeling like there was something right under my nose that was always there, but being overlooked.

Like an examination outside of a personal perspective. An empty and innocent introspection. 

 

 

"When the student is ready the teacher appears" 

- multiple philosophical traditions

Yeah, somehow I don't think that when I was still a complete newbie, that Jim's message would work on me then.

But maybe there are newbies that get it quickly.

[Elliott]

 

 

23 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I think I misunderstood you, I thought you meant he's just in it for the business.

But sure, I don't have a problem with spiritual teachers charging money for retreats etc.

Youtube is free. Retreats they make a living from. Sounds fair to me.

"Papaji’s Direct Stance: Papaji frequently taught that teachers who actively charged for darshan or spiritual instruction were committing fraud. He took inspiration from his own master, Sri Ramana Maharshi, who never permitted the solicitation of money for spiritual teachings"

 

[Wilhelm44]

17 minutes ago, Elliott said:

 

 

"Papaji’s Direct Stance: Papaji frequently taught that teachers who actively charged for darshan or spiritual instruction were committing fraud. He took inspiration from his own master, Sri Ramana Maharshi, who never permitted the solicitation of money for spiritual teachings"

 

This is 2026, not 1926 India, God bless Papaji and Ramana, I love them, but good luck sitting with a begging bowl on the street today. Money is neither good nor bad. It's high time spiritual people grow the fuck up, myself included, I really want to teach this type of invaluable stuff to people, and I honestly don't see why I should be poor for doing so. This doesn't mean that I need to be greedy either. I think you can offer freebies and charge good money simultaneously. Thus you can serve the poor and the rich.

(I think I read somewhere that in the old testament it said that if a wife cheated on her husband, she should be stoned to death. What if this whole hangup that many spiritual people have around receiving decent money for invaluable services, is just as rediculous and outdated. Why the fuck should doctors and lawyers live well, but spiritual masters who provide something beyond value itself,  should grow their own vegetables, get fucked spiritual ego)

[Elliott]

3 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

This is 2026, not 1926 India, God bless Papaji and Ramana, I love them, but good luck sitting with a begging bowl on the street today. Money is neither good nor bad. It's high time spiritual people grow the fuck up, myself included, I really want to teach this type of invaluable stuff to people, and I honestly don't see why I should be poor for doing so. This doesn't mean that I need to be greedy either. I think you can offer freebies and charge good money simultaneously. Thus you can serve the poor and the rich.

(I think I read somewhere that in the old testament it said that if a wife cheated on her husband, she should be stoned to death. What if this whole hangup that many spiritual people have around receiving decent money for invaluable services, is just as rediculous and outdated. Why the fuck should doctors and lawyers live well, but spiritual masters who provide something beyond value itself,  should grow their own vegetables, get fucked spiritual ego)

You're intentionally overlooking the issue

[Joseph Maynor]

I find Jim to be earnest.  He is not playing games.  

[Wilhelm44]

1 minute ago, Elliott said:

You're intentionally overlooking the issue

Not sure what you mean, it seems you're implying spiritual teachers are somehow wrong for charging money.

Do you think a Rupert Spira retreat is for free ?

 

[Wilhelm44]

3 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I find Jim to be earnest.  He is not playing games.  

Spot on

[Wilhelm44]

9 hours ago, Elliott said:

 

 

 

 

My apologies, I skipped this video last night. He seems to imply that spiritual teachers are tainted when they make a living from this work, because they then have a profit motive. So he says even donations is a red flag. (He seems pretty far up his own ass)

I'm sure there are many spiritual teachers out there who are tainted and not in integrity when it comes to the money aspect.

Jim's message gives the individual nothing, no techniques etc. And the message doesn't change. I just don't see any agenda there.

As far as the money aspect goes, I see that most of Adyashanti's videos on youtube are now for members only. So according to the guy in the video, Adyashanti is a fraud. Nah, a brother just gotta eat.  @Elliott

 

[Mellowmarsh]

On 29/06/2026 at 6:07 PM, Wilhelm44 said:

Ultimately, nothing is for sale.

If Gurus choose to sell nothing to people who are willingly consenting to purchase the nothing for sale, then that’s just the transactional nature of the human psyche, where both the teacher and the student mutually benefit from one another.

 

Eventually, it must dawn on everyone involved in the selling and buying of ‘nothing’ that the quid-pro-quo exchange is a completely harmless business, whereby, it’s easily recognised that no one is being forced against their will to buy into the greatest con humans have ever invented.

Enlightenment dawns for everyone in the selling and buying of nothing business when mutual agreement is attained by ultimately reaching the conclusion that a con can never con a con. Ultimately, it’s just all part of the big cosmic dance where it takes two to tango. At the end of the day, money for nothing is serious business.

 

All there is to do here after true enlightenment dawns, is die hard laughing. Because every one of us is born penniless and every one of us dies penniless. And no one was ever scammed. In fact everyone has already won the cosmic lottery by just being able to type these rather silly words on a computer screen. 🤓👍