Jim Newman is really good.

[Joseph Maynor]

56 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

He has monthly online group zoom calls. Only costs 10 dollars. Great opportunity to ask questions directly.

That is good.  Usually I don't think I know someone unless we share a meal together one on one.  Or coffee.

[Wilhelm44]

7 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

It doesn’t matter because nothing that’s said can be proven or disproven, it’s all good, perfectly as it is, no question about it. Nothing is ever in danger. 

And even seeking is already unconditional freedom.

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

And even seeking is already unconditional freedom.

Absolutely 👍 

[Wilhelm44]

And there's actually no one out there to care. Funny how the most nihilistic pov's eventually also become the most liberating.

[Mellowmarsh]

5 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

And there's actually no one out there to care. Funny how the most nihilistic pov's eventually also become the most liberating.

Yes, nihilistic can be positive as well as negative depending on which way you look at it. It doesn’t matter to infinity, infinity is infinite love, and love always wins. Be loved. The beloved is all there is.

[Wilhelm44]

Another one I like is: it makes no difference to reality whether I live for another minute, another 5 years, or another 50 years. Once again this can be interpreted in nihilistic ways. But it can also lead to a tremendous amount of fear leaving the body system. And thus the leading of a beautiful life.

[Razard86]

Jim Newman is ok but he doesn't know about God Realization, and I never see him mention that reality is pure imagination. He also calls the realization of all that is as simple and ordinary and let me tell you he couldn't be further from the truth. Infinity is a raging beast, it is completely unhinged. If you ever had a bad trip on psychedelics you would find out QUICK that there is NOTHING ordinary about Reality. Reality only SEEMS ordinary because you have NOT radically changed your consciousness. 

Jim Newman, Tony Parsons, both of these guys teach the same message and it can help as their technique is to break you out of your attachment to meaning by continually telling you that there is nothing/nobody here and all there is, is something appearing to happen. There shctick is to focus on nothingness.

The issue is they have not become Conscious of what is TRUTH, GOD, Pure Imagination and Universal Mind.

[aurum]

@Razard86 is correct here.

This is not God-realization, no matter how nice these teachings sound.

 

[Wilhelm44]

2 hours ago, Razard86 said:

Jim Newman is ok but he doesn't know about God Realization, and I never see him mention that reality is pure imagination. He also calls the realization of all that is as simple and ordinary and let me tell you he couldn't be further from the truth. Infinity is a raging beast, it is completely unhinged. If you ever had a bad trip on psychedelics you would find out QUICK that there is NOTHING ordinary about Reality. Reality only SEEMS ordinary because you have NOT radically changed your consciousness. 

Jim Newman, Tony Parsons, both of these guys teach the same message and it can help as their technique is to break you out of your attachment to meaning by continually telling you that there is nothing/nobody here and all there is, is something appearing to happen. There shctick is to focus on nothingness.

The issue is they have not become Conscious of what is TRUTH, GOD, Pure Imagination and Universal Mind.

I hear you, I think they teach this specific message because it's actually really effective in melting away the sense of a separate self. (More so than anything else I've found)

 It seems to be rare to meet someone where that sense of separate self has died completely.

Im actually beginning to feel that should be a prerequisite before we start making claims that we are God etc. 

Yes, he does use the term indescribable mystery, and also the term pure anarchy and unconditional aliveness. And also "this can appear as anything".

I have a feeling he may have gone deeper than you think. The teaching is lean simply because it's really effective that way.

Edited 2 hours ago by Wilhelm44

[Mellowmarsh]

7 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I hear you, I think they teach this specific message because it's actually really effective in melting away the sense of a separate self. It seems to be rare to meet someone where that sense of separate self has died completely. Im actually beginning to feel that should be a prerequisite before we start making claims that we are God etc. 

Yes, he does use the term indescribable mystery, and also the term pure anarchy. 

I have a feeling he may have gone deeper than you think. The teaching is lean simply because it's really effective that way.

Quite right, one cannot become conscious of what one already is. That would require one to split into two. Which is absurd. 
Has one ever tried being two one’s … nope. There’s never more than one of one. The observer and the observed are one. 
Difficult to separate the observed from the observer. Thankfully no one ever does. 
 

If anyone can separate their arm from what’s looking at it, then please feel free to share how it’s done. 

[Mellowmarsh]

21 minutes ago, aurum said:

@Razard86 is correct here.

This is not God-realization, no matter how nice these teachings sound.

 

God is nothing, it’s the same realisation. The world / earth hangs on nothing. 
 

God, another word for nothing. God "hangs the earth upon nothing".

 

Given enough rope any one can hang themself. 

[Mellowmarsh]

12 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Another one I like is: it makes no difference to reality whether I live for another minute, another 5 years, or another 50 years. Once again this can be interpreted in nihilistic ways. But it can also lead to a tremendous amount of fear leaving the body system. And thus the leading of a beautiful life.

Amazing. I’ve always not only liked but loved that one.☝️ 

[Wilhelm44]

21 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Quite right, one cannot become conscious of what one already is. That would require one to split into two. Which is absurd. 
Has one ever tried being two one’s … nope. There’s never more than one of one. The observer and the observed are one. 
Difficult to separate the observed from the observer. Thankfully no one ever does. 
 

If anyone can separate their arm from what’s looking at it, then please feel free to share how it’s done. 

Yeah, it's like Jim and Tony's message removes the 'I' that wants to claim that it is God.

Edited 3 hours ago by Wilhelm44

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Wilhelm44 said:

Yeah, it's like Jim and Tony's stuff removes the 'I' that wants to claim that it is God.

Yes, the claimer is the blind spot. 

[Mellowmarsh]

37 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Yeah, it's like Jim and Tony's message

Can you imagine Jim and Tony having a Nondual conversation with each other, what that would sound like? Lol

 

There would be no one there in the other to bounce off. Lol

[Wilhelm44]

38 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Can you imagine Jim and Tony having a Nondual conversation with each other, what that would sound like? Lol

 

There would be no one there in the other to bounce off. Lol

I think it would just be the two of them laughing out loud, as they tend to do. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Wilhelm44

[enchanted]

On 27/06/2026 at 3:55 AM, Wilhelm44 said:

I think he just got impatient because she wasn't listening. She would immediately fire away with a counter question, without allowing for split second to let the message sink in at all.

She did the same thing with Leo. I understand pushback to get a deeper understanding but she seems to just disagree and never try to understand

[Wilhelm44]

11 minutes ago, enchanted said:

She did the same thing with Leo. I understand pushback to get a deeper understanding but she seems to just disagree and never try to understand

Yeah, kudos to Demystify for having the willingness to even have Leo or Jim on in the first place though.