This is what You and Existence is

[Joseph Maynor]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

Well that’s just the motion of the ocean. 😎 Please feel free to say it isn’t so. 

I don't need or want to.

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Joseph Maynor said:

I don't need or want to.

So it is. No problem.

[Joseph Maynor]

1 minute ago, Mellowmarsh said:

So it is. No problem.

No thank you.  

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

No thank you.  

So be it.

[Joseph Maynor]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

So be it.

Yes.  No thank you.  

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Yes.  No thank you.  

Accepted. 

[James123]

10 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Reflections of God’s nature do not know they are God. Forgive them for they know not what they do.

I’m so sure the moment when I was born .God had already written my story, because he is the only original author creator.

The only one. 

 

 

Exactly. Body has it's own destiny. Watching is inevitable.

[Joseph Maynor]

11 hours ago, Someone here said:

Silly question. There is no help for you . Spirituality isn’t what’s in it for me . It is supposed to prepare you for death. To die before you die as an ego and even as a body . In the end you are some rotten bones and food for worms. Find the real you. Come on.. at least handle the basics .

i appreciate your opinion.

[Breakingthewall]

13 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Okay.  What does that mean?

Means spiritual bypassing. It happens when people read about spirituality; they conclude that you shouldn't have preferences, you should love everything, etc. Then they pretend that's their state and half-believe it. They find their identity in it and like the end of their fear to death.

The problem is that it's a lie. As a human being, you have a real emotional structure that makes you prefer dinner with a model to being tortured by a Mexican cartel. But they think that being enlightened means not caring and let everything go because there's no self and all that. You don't need to stop being human to be open to the absolute. Just being aligned 

[Someone here]

7 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

i appreciate your opinion.

Thanks. If you want elaboration..I wasn’t just trying to sound flashy and edgy about it . The basics of spirituality is destroying the ego . It’s not about improving your ego . You said to Jane that she is very passive about her life ..well you have to make up your mind if you prioritize self improvement or spiritual work because these are not the same routes.  My guru told me the same thing Osho is saying here ..that I can’t do proper spirituality without sacrificing myself. 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Someone here

[Joseph Maynor]

@Someone here  In my spirituality there is no duality between the finite and afinite.

[Someone here]

@Joseph Maynor Say more 

[Joseph Maynor]

The standard view is that the Infinite doesn't know the finite.  My view is that they are joined and One.

[Someone here]

@Joseph Maynor That’s a different Topic obviously. I’m speaking of the ego . Let’s not jump all over the place and focus on one thing at a time . 

 

 

[Joseph Maynor]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

@Joseph Maynor That’s a different Topic obviously. I’m speaking of the ego . Let’s not jump all over the place and focus on one thing at a time . 

 

 

What I am saying is self-help and spirituality are not at odds.  The Creator creates through the finite.  Ego is a very loaded term and means many things.  I like finite better in this context.  

[Joseph Maynor]

My views have evolved beyond Advaita Vedanta and Neo Advaita although they are informed by them.

[Someone here]

5 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

What I am saying is self-help and spirituality are not at odds.  The Creator creates through the finite.  Ego is a very loaded term and means many things.  I like finite better in this context.  

I disagree.

ego simply means the sense of I . The thing you take yourself to be . Couldn’t be more simple. At least in spirituality . It means other things in psychology.

In a serious spiritual discipline..like if you joined a zen monastery you would be taught that this sense of I am a fixed permanent self that exists on its own separate from the rest of reality is simply an illusion. It doesn’t actually exist .literally so .  My question to you is how exactly are you going to improve or help something which doesn’t even exist ?

[Joseph Maynor]

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I disagree.

ego simply means the sense of I . The thing you take yourself to be . Couldn’t be more simple. At least in spirituality . It means other things in psychology.

In a serious spiritual discipline..like if you joined a zen monastery you would be taught that this sense of I am a fixed permanent self that exists on its own separate from the rest of reality is simply an illusion. It doesn’t actually exist .literally so .  My question to you is how exactly are you going to improve or help something which doesn’t even exist ?

Yes.  That is the crux of the disagreement between my spirituality and Neo-Advaita.  But I went thru a Neo-Advaita phase too so I understand.  I've had this kind of argument again and again with dozens of people here and on Phil's forum over the years.

[Someone here]

3 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Yes.  That is the crux of the disagreement between my spirituality and Neo-Advaita.  But I went thru a Neo-Advaita phase too so I understand.  I've had this kind of argument again and again with dozens of people here and on Phil's forum over the years.

I see . And so far what has been the answer for this problem in “your spirituality “ ?

[Joseph Maynor]

7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I see . And so far what has been the answer for this problem in “your spirituality “ ?

God creates thru the finite.