Seeing through the self before adopting it's narrative

[VeganAwake]

If the first delusion isn't seen through, there will be endless delusions to work through.

It will seem like a lot of progress is being made. 

Like unknowingly using a map of the wrong territory to guide you.

The seeking may never end because it will always feel like something is missing and needs to be found.

Look at what's looking for something.

[Joseph Maynor]

Do you feel like you have a narrative?

[Mellowmarsh]

2 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

If the first delusion isn't seen through, there will be endless delusions to work through.

It will seem like a lot of progress is being made. 

Like unknowingly using a map of the wrong territory to guide you.

The seeking may never end because it will always feel like something is missing and needs to be found.

Look at what's looking for something.

Looking for what’s looking, nothing is seen, is the seeing through the first delusion, and simultaneously the last.. 

 

Great insight, VA

[VeganAwake]

7 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Do you feel like you have a narrative?

When there was identification as a self, it seemed like there was a constant and desperate need to find the answers to everything. The 5 w's; who, what, when, where, why

It needed to discover the truth about everything, and it was the perfect self for the task! 

[VeganAwake]

22 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Looking for what’s looking, nothing is seen, is the seeing through the first delusion, and simultaneously the last.. 

In this case the seeing through the self, is referring to the end of identification as the thinker and experiencer. 

It's recognizing that the entire framework of the thinking mind was constructed under the false premise of there being an owner or controller of it. A self referential conditioning!

[Mellowmarsh]

@VeganAwake Awareness / Infinity is both the first and the last. 
 

The first without beginning ( One ) and the last without end ( One ) Same.

[Joseph Maynor]

1 hour ago, Mellowmarsh said:

@VeganAwake Awareness / Infinity is both the first and the last. 
 

The first without beginning ( One ) and the last without end ( One ) Same.

Um hm.  

[Mellowmarsh]

3 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Um hm.  

Bump.

[VeganAwake]

9 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

@VeganAwake Awareness / Infinity is both the first and the last. 
 

The first without beginning ( One ) and the last without end ( One ) Same.

I'm not sure what you mean by awareness. 

Here the word awareness feels like it implies or insinuates that there is a someone or something that is aware and or experiencing apparent reality.

What's being said here, is that experience of something/someone witnessing, being aware of or experiencing, is completely illusory! 

I'm not saying the physical human body is illusory. It seems to experience apparent reality with its 5 senses and conditioned mind/imagination. Similarly to a deer or bear or fox.

What's being said is that human body is empty. There isn't a real "you or me" inside of it, and that which believes there is more going on than that, or believes itself to be infinite and aware, is the self illusion.

Edited 10 hours ago by VeganAwake

[Mellowmarsh]

5 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

I'm not sure what you mean by awareness. 

I think the word awareness is interchangeable with the word Logos and Tao and Nothing.

 

Nothing is aware of anything other that the Nothing itself. It’s basically emptiness looking at emptiness.

 

Empty and full are the same-seeing …this bridges the gap between the sacred and the physical world. The gap is simply illusory.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[VeganAwake]

34 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

I think the word awareness is interchangeable with the word Logos and Tao and Nothing.

 

Nothing is aware of anything other that the Nothing itself. It’s basically emptiness looking at emptiness.

 

Empty and full are the same-seeing …this bridges the gap between the sacred and the physical world. The gap is simply illusory.

Gotcha,

Yeah, it's a nonhappening.

Which is why it's often compared to being "like a dream".

The dream characters seem to live out their lives from birth to death, dealing with numerous emotions, trials and tribulations and overall good and bad experiences throughout their lifetime.

There seems to be a someone experiencing everything, but its actually nobody experiencing anything 

It's just too radical.

Very very rarely is the experiences validity even questioned.

& It doesn't matter at all whether or not this entire ridiculous phenomenon is seen through, because the difference isn't real. It only seems to be 🤯

 

[Joseph Maynor]

So what do you feel is the non-delusional life?

[Mellowmarsh]

2 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

& It doesn't matter at all whether or not this entire ridiculous phenomenon is seen through, because the difference isn't real. It only seems to be 🤯

 

Yes, it’s the one love action dreaming difference where there is none. 

[Joseph Maynor]

9 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Yes, it’s the one love action dreaming difference where there is none. 

Is that it?

[Mellowmarsh]

36 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Is that it?

Yes, that is it, and it is this. This is it.

[Joseph Maynor]

5 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Yes, that is it, and it is this. This is it.

Okay.  Then what?

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Okay.  Then what?

IDK.. then what has not been written yet, when and if it is, I’ll let you know. 

[Hojo]

@Joseph Maynor A gift my mother and father gave me via abuse is I stopped narrating my life. I had no control and thinking only made it worse as they were insane and didn't make sense. Eventually I gave up talking to myself as nothing I did worked or was good enough.

This is how abuse will awaken you as you will start to question where these feelings are coming from if you aren't narrating.

Edited 5 hours ago by Hojo

[cetus]

@Hojo A gift my guru gave me is I stopped narrating my life. I had no control and thinking only made it worse as he was insane and didn't make sense. Eventually I gave up talking to myself as nothing I did worked or was good enough.

This is how a guru will awaken you as you will start to question where these feelings are coming from if you aren't narrating.

[Hojo]

@cetus maybe my parents were my gurus. Or life itself.

Edited 3 hours ago by Hojo