Wilber’s sliding scale of consciousness

[AION]

I agree with Wilber on this one. Sliding Scale means you can be genuinely enlightened in your own era without having to know about developmental stages that haven’t been discovered yet.

For example:

•  The Buddha didn’t need to include “integral turquoise” thinking in his enlightenment, because that stage of consciousness hadn’t emerged yet in humanity.

•  Someone today who reaches the same depth of realization would need to include it.

It solves a really annoying paradox: it lets ancient masters like the Buddha, Jesus, or Padmasambhava be fully enlightened, while still allowing modern practitioners to go further than they could.

It’s basically Wilber’s way of saying enlightenment is real, but it’s not a fixed finish line, it grows as humanity grows.

So one should always be aware of the cardinal sin of (spiritual) pride. 

[Leo Gura]

Enlightenment is simply independent of development.

A chimpanzee could have an enlightenment.

Awakening and development simply need to be treated as independent variables, orthogonal axes.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, AION said:

It’s basically Wilber’s way of saying enlightenment is real, but it’s not a fixed finish line, it grows as humanity grows.

Enlightenment can be just another word for Infinity. It’s a fixed concept known, but this known is an illusory knowledge because of the measurement problem. Infinity cannot be measured to have a fixed finish line because the line would go on infinitely impossible to be measured. Infinities start every time it is conceptualised as an idea, but the idea is illusory. 
What is an idea? I have no idea.

Infinity is a concept, not a reality. It’s an idea, born out of the human mind. Looking out I see everything. Looking in I see nothing. The external is a projection of the inner. Nothing appearing to be Something. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Mellowmarsh

[AION]

Enlightenment states and intelligence development are two different things but they do have an influence on each other. States are interpreted through the lens of one’s own current structure stage. Wilber explains this in his matrix lettuce. So just imagine a super human in 20 to 30 years and how he would interpret enlightenment experiences. He would look at our chimp interpretation and just smile. 

Edited 1 hour ago by AION

[Joseph Maynor]

People absorb groupthink instead of thinking and feeling for themselves.  This is the primary issue.

[AION]

Human-machine integration with AI will revolutionize spirituality so much. Because AI will be able to get access to our inner states through a brain link. It will help us with interpretation of our inner states. Sort out our bullshit. Such interesting times await us. This is some matrix shit with the good and the bad. And most people are going into this revolution completely blind.