How did the ( Illusion ) the sense of separation start?

[Mellowmarsh]

Any claim claiming there is no beginning or end, is a start. The start of knowledge. 
 

 

[Sugarcoat]

On 2026-06-16 at 8:05 AM, Mellowmarsh said:

Yes, there’s an awareness of sensation.

 

What arises in that moment feels like a movement, but it’s a movement of the unmoved. 

Any feeling of boundary?

[Sugarcoat]

On 2026-06-16 at 2:44 AM, Osaid said:

Totally. Psychedelics can become a red herring because of all the crazy experiences that can happen. Humans imagine all sorts of crazy things from a sober state, imagine what they would imagine from a psychedelic experience, lol.

That's interesting.

Yeah some teachers like to talk about steps and phases, which is fine I guess. It's a different way of communicating it. From my POV, enlightenment doesn't come and go. Ideas about yourself do, since they are based on you moving through time. Therefore, if you stabilize yourself in the timeless, then it becomes obvious that you don't come and go either, and therein you "merge with it". But it's not like anything about you changes. You simply had temporal ideas about yourself which were seen to be fleeting, and then you realize you were what was always present.

Yeah, I would say it's alive in the sense that everything is recognized to be completely new or undefined. There is a sense of freedom in that.

So instead of "ugh I've experienced this so many times", it's more like "wow I'm experiencing this".

Everything is spontaneous, in truth. 

Choice makes it seem like there is another reality to choose from, but this is the only reality which is ever experienced. Choice is a conceptualization of what is happening, often for communication.

Ultimately, it literally doesn't matter whether you think you chose something or not. It doesn't change anything at all. The present moment is that free.

Late reply but just a lot going on

Yea I’ve thought how some mind stuff on psychedelics, someone might see it as profound because the psychedelic state is profound, but the mental stuff could still be just reflection of your regular mind so it’s not the most important thing 

 

Ok, but is there any sense of self for you? I also thought of enlightenment as permanent yes by definition 

“Everything is recognized as new” I guess it has to do with the mind being dissolved, becuase it’s the thing that kinda makes reality seem “known” or something. It projects onto reality 

I find “choice” being an experience, meaning it can seem to someone they are choosing or vice versa. But I intuit there’s not choice actually 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

3 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Any feeling of boundary?

Yes, because part of the illusion that appears as the sense of being a separate self is to experience a boundary, for physical survival tactics. 
 

 

[Sugarcoat]

3 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Yes, because part of the illusion that appears as the sense of being a separate self is to experience a boundary, for physical survival tactics. 
 

 

Same