Enlightenment / Love / Matrix/ Survival

[James123]

When I look at the animal, it is pure survival mechanicsm, like perfectly programmed as movie matrix.

Humans are attached with thinking, therefore, it seems to them they are special species. Yet, enlightenment reveals, our body programmed same as an animal, flower, just to survive.

Yet, many people assumption is this stuff is being a robot, negative way. Actually, it is completely opposite, life flow itself, and any living creature that contains life, is based on survival, it is how water is programmed to flow.

And combination of all these love itself. Because, water has no purpose, if there is no living creature to drink it, living creature has no purpose if there is no survival. Yet, it seems separate for so called separate self, but, Everything combined and mixed with live together, and that what Love is.

Only way to free live is lifting the veil, stop listening the mind. With this way, mind becomes simple living creature with body. And mind has its own / perfect knowledge of itself.

[Grateful Dead]

I think that saying you should stop listening to the mind is an oversimplification.

You must examine the mind and understand what is going on, to switch on the light, so to speak.

I am training my mind to be a servant of the Absolute. Simply ignoring it offers only superficial liberation. The mind should serve as a tool imo.

[James123]

52 minutes ago, Grateful Dead said:

I think that saying you should stop listening to the mind is an oversimplification.

You must examine the mind and understand what is going on, to switch on the light, so to speak.

I am training my mind to be a servant of the Absolute. Simply ignoring it offers only superficial liberation. The mind should serve as a tool imo.

Trying to control the mind is, like trying to control liver function. 

Edited yesterday at 11:34 AM by James123

[Grateful Dead]

13 minutes ago, James123 said:

Trying to control the mind is, like trying to control your heartbeat liver function. 

You can control your heartbeat through your breathing. Since you have changed that, you can also control your liver function through diet and breathing. Either you are the slave of your mind, or you make it your slave.

Also, I didn't really mean that you should control the mind, but rather examine it; and the mind can learn.

 

Edited yesterday at 11:47 AM by Grateful Dead

[James123]

10 minutes ago, Grateful Dead said:

You can control your heartbeat through your breathing. Since you have changed that, you can also control your liver function through diet and breathing. Either you are the slave of your mind, or you make it your slave.

Also, I didn't really mean that you should control the mind, but rather examine it; and the mind can learn.

 

İt is the same as not attachment to thoughts, which is diets. But you can never control. 

Try to not to heart beat or liver function for 2 minutes. (As your mentioned to make it slave)

You guys have no idea what you are talking about. At least, just listen.

[Grateful Dead]

45 minutes ago, James123 said:

İt is the same as not attachment to thoughts, which is diets. But you can never control. 

Try to not to heart beat or liver function for 2 minutes. (As your mentioned to make it slave)

You guys have no idea what you are talking about. At least, just listen.

There is no need to get defensive right away; I'm just interested in the dialogue.

From a biological standpoint, you can no more stop your liver function than you can stop your mind. The liver produces bile, and the mind produces thoughts, though it is possible to influence both functions.

If you identify with the mind, you become its slave; however, once you have examined the mechanism and understood it, you can determine how you want to interact with it. The untrained ego-mind is programmed for survival, but a disciplined mind is a tool that can be aligned with the Absolute. I’m not trying to stop my heart; I’m choosing which direction the life-force flows.

[James123]

23 minutes ago, Grateful Dead said:

If you identify with the mind, you become its slave; however, once you have examined the mechanism and understood it, you can determine how you want to interact with it. The untrained ego-mind is programmed for survival, but a disciplined mind is a tool that can be aligned with the Absolute. I’m not trying to stop my heart; I’m choosing which direction the life-force flows.

Absofuckinglutely. You are 💯 percent correct. Let the mind flows the direction as life - force. That's what all i am saying. 

By the way, when there is no identification with mind, context of thinking and frequency of thinking dramatically changes. Thinking becomes like breathing, or liver functioning. 

24 minutes ago, Grateful Dead said:

There is no need to get defensive right away; I'm just interested in the dialogue.

I am not defending whatsoever. I just tell directly for the people who are in the path, are they being bitch of the mind or not. 

[Ziran]

5 hours ago, James123 said:

Only way

~face-palm~

There's always another a way

[James123]

34 minutes ago, Ziran said:

~face-palm~

There's always another a way

Different methods, but path is only one.

[Breakingthewall]

So animals are pure and do what reality wants, but the mind, on the other hand, doesn't; it's against reality. Is reality sad because the mind thinks?

 Maybe the problem is that you can't see how the human matrix is the reality expressing itself as a mind 

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, Grateful Dead said:

you identify with the mind, you become its slave; however, once you have examined the mechanism and understood it, you can determine how you want to interact with it

Id say that I can't interact with my mind because I am the mind. What I am is the process that's happening and it's a mind. What I can do as a mind is point to the direction that is better according my vision, that is what any living being  and life itself does, and the mind is a living being. 

You could say that the essence of that process is the unlimited, the tao, anything, but the process is happening and I'm that. You could say that I'm the tao in the form of a mind, but not that I'm the master of the mind, because there is not an I separated from the mind , the I is a part of the structure of the mind 

Edited 20 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Grateful Dead]

35 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Id say that I can't interact with my mind because I am the mind. What I am is the process that's happening and it's a mind. What I can do as a mind is point to the direction that is better according my vision, that is what any living being  and life itself does, and the mind is a living being. 

You could say that the essence of that process is the unlimited, the tao, anything, but the process is happening and I'm that. You could say that I'm the tao in the form of a mind, but not that I'm the master of the mind, because there is not an I separated from the mind , the I is a part of the structure of the mind 

It is true that the mind cannot master itself. However, while the mind is a process, you are the Eternal Tao in which this process arises and subsides.

You say that you possess the ability to steer a vision in a better direction; this implies that you are not merely this process, but something beyond it, something capable of choosing where to place its identification.

You are the Spirit, free to choose whether to listen to the survival program or the Eternal Tao. The mind then becomes the servant of that choice.

Ultimately, the sense of separation is indeed an illusion; but as long as we are still pointing in a better direction and engage in this very dialogue, it seems to me that a part of us still clings to the belief in separation, and that it has not yet been fully transcended. The entire world is a symbol of this separation. 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Grateful Dead said:

You are the Spirit, free to choose whether to listen to the survival program or the Eternal Tao. The mind then becomes the servant of that choice.

But the spirit is the mind, there is no other. Not superior self. Let's use "tao". The mind is the tao expressed as a mind. 

So if you see a higher spirit guiding the mind, you're creating a barrier that closes it off. The Tao isn't someone or something that directs; it's the unlimited being that manifests itself in what is possible. And the manifestation is the mind.

That is to say, it's the mind that orients itself toward, for example, clarifying its density to see, not a higher force. Nothing is superior; everything is interconnected realities that ontologically have the same level.

As I see it, it's crucial not to categorize anything as false, real, true, or illusion because those are absolute closures. Openness occurs when the mind integrates itself and sees itself seamlessly, as the totality of reality. There is no other reality, no other levels; there is only density that clouds perception.

[Hojo]

12 hours ago, Grateful Dead said:

You can control your heartbeat through your breathing. Since you have changed that, you can also control your liver function through diet and breathing. Either you are the slave of your mind, or you make it your slave.

Also, I didn't really mean that you should control the mind, but rather examine it; and the mind can learn.

 

Are you controlling your breathing or your heartbeat? I can control the tap dosent mean I can control the water coming out.

[Grateful Dead]

8 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

But the spirit is the mind, there is no other. Not superior self. Let's use "tao". The mind is the tao expressed as a mind. 

So if you see a higher spirit guiding the mind, you're creating a barrier that closes it off. The Tao isn't someone or something that directs; it's the unlimited being that manifests itself in what is possible. And the manifestation is the mind.

That is to say, it's the mind that orients itself toward, for example, clarifying its density to see, not a higher force. Nothing is superior; everything is interconnected realities that ontologically have the same level.

As I see it, it's crucial not to categorize anything as false, real, true, or illusion because those are absolute closures. Openness occurs when the mind integrates itself and sees itself seamlessly, as the totality of reality. There is no other reality, no other levels; there is only density that clouds perception.

We could also say that there is no mind, only Spirit or that the mind is ultimately Spirit; I agree with that.

To use your terminology: Spirit/Mind has the capacity to orient itself toward or identify with its own density, or it can orient itself toward or identify with its own boundlessness. And what is density, if not a temporary illusion that limits you?

This conscious shift toward boundless freedom is what I mean by mind training. You can learn to choose clarity over confusion. 

When I speak of the mind, I am referring to that part of you that defines itself through boundaries and density; by Spirit, I mean the boundless. You may have phrased it better, as you point toward the ultimate unity, but I feel that approach can also lead to confusion.
 

5 hours ago, Hojo said:

Are you controlling your breathing or your heartbeat? I can control the tap dosent mean I can control the water coming out.

If you control the tab, you decide whether water comes out or not. 

Edited 9 hours ago by Grateful Dead