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[Ziran]

On 5/25/2026 at 0:11 PM, James123 said:

Why does an experience only take place while the body is alive?

In total, each and every experience is taking place, always and forever.  The body is irrelevant.

[James123]

1 minute ago, Ziran said:

In total, each and every experience is taking place, always and forever.  The body is irrelevant.

When did you learn this? Or experience? 

[James123]

5 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Maybe you didn't read well, he said this:

 

You don't / can't read the entire sentence 😂 

It is crazy that how smart the mind is 😂 

You made me laugh man 😂 loudly 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[VeganAwake]

12 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

A question, if nothing matters, as your profile picture says, why are you vegan? 

 

If nothing matters why not be vegan?

[Ziran]

2 hours ago, James123 said:

When did you learn this? Or experience? 

It's a property of infinity.  See here:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternalism_(philosophy_of_time)

I don't remember when I learned it.  It's just one of those lessons gathered along the way.

[James123]

5 minutes ago, Ziran said:

It's a property of infinity.  See here:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternalism_(philosophy_of_time)

I don't remember when I learned it.  It's just one of those lessons gathered along the way.

You learned within this life, experience with this body and mind? 😂 Or previous life with other minds? 😂 Or did you learn with alien consciousness? 😂 

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

If nothing matters why not be vegan?

Because it's a mess choosing the right food every day? 

No, you are because you think that it's more healthy, or because it's unfair exploiting animals. You, that "illusion" , made that choice due it's structure. You like to say that this structure is illusory, but it's precisely the structure making a valoration and classifying itself in the label: illusory.

Well...you could make any valoration but the reality is that the self exist, it's a real process that's happening in the reality and that decides that being vegan is the right choice 

Edited 18 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Nemra]

On 5/25/2026 at 11:11 PM, James123 said:

Why do all these realizations come through only when the body exists?

That's an assumption.

You are using the specificity of your experience to justify that it can only be possible while having a body.

The specificity of experience proves that there are infinite kinds of experiences, but they are not actual as of now.

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, James123 said:

You learned within this life, experience with this body and mind? 😂 Or previous life with other minds? 😂 Or did you learn with alien consciousness? 😂 

I learned how to talk due the billions of years of learning that life needed to learn how to talk. Your actual life is just a line in a huge process, not an independent reality 

Edited 18 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[MutedMiles]

7 minutes ago, Nemra said:

That's an assumption.

You are using the specificity of your experience to justify that it can only be possible while having a body.

The specificity of experience proves that there are infinite kinds of experiences, but they are not actual as of now.

It's correct that specificity of experience doesn't prove the general deductive assumption. But your conclusion of infinite experiences doesn't follow from this.

One specific experience doesn't saying anything about how many other experiences there are. It's simply silent on that topic.

 

[Nemra]

3 hours ago, MutedMiles said:

One specific experience doesn't saying anything about how many other experiences there are. It's simply silent on that topic.

Any finite thing you can point to is a proof of infinity.

I'm not saying that if I can see something, it means there are other experiences hidden from me.

The experiences that I am having are one and only which is to say that only those experiences exist as of now.

For example, you understand that there are infinite numbers by just counting up numbers and at some point realizing that there's no end to it.

The same way you see, hear, feel, etc., stuff, and at some point you can understand that there's no end to the kinds of experiences that can exist.

There always must be infinite kinds of possible experiences with different limitations; otherwise, your current experience wouldn't be. But only your current experiences exist or are true.

Edited 14 hours ago by Nemra

[James123]

45 minutes ago, Nemra said:

That's an assumption.

You are using the specificity of your experience to justify that it can only be possible while having a body.

The specificity of experience proves that there are infinite kinds of experiences, but they are not actual as of now.

Why didn't you experience anything while body wasn't exist?

How the fuck you know? Tell me one of your experience before the body?

[James123]

32 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I learned how to talk due the billions of years of learning that life needed to learn how to talk. Your actual life is just a line in a huge process, not an independent reality 

Body is. Not me. You are wasting your time here go to fishing.

[Breakingthewall]

43 minutes ago, James123 said:

Why didn't you experience anything while body wasn't exist?

How the fuck you know? Tell me one of your experience before the body?

Do you think that reality is your memory? No, there is reality beyond your memory, spirituality is about transcend the self, the memory, etc, and open yourself to your unlimited nature.

Just be humble and start the process 

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Do you think that reality is your memory? No, there is reality beyond your memory, spirituality is about transcend the self, the memory, etc, and open yourself to your unlimited nature.

Just be humble and start the process 

Of course it is a memory. If there is no memory, how to remember the words? 😂 Let's give an major electroshock to your mind or put you in anesthesia , or cut your head, let's see will you remember anything 😂 

Bunch of fucking retarded here man 😂 

I can't handle it 😂 I am out 😂 

[Nemra]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

Why didn't you experience anything while body wasn't exist?

How the fuck you know? Tell me one of your experience before the body?

Bro, the body is in the experience!

The body and anything that is not the body have existed together!

[Breakingthewall]

38 minutes ago, James123 said:

Of course it is a memory. If there is no memory, how to remember the words? 😂 Let's give an major electroshock to your mind or put you in anesthesia , or cut your head, let's see will you remember anything 😂 

Bunch of fucking retarded here man 😂 

I can't handle it 😂 I am out 😂 

Then if they do that, according to you it means that my previous life didn't exist, because I don't remember it?

Look, we are a local process that's going to finish, but you can transcend the process and be the essence. That essence has no memory, will, desire, can't die and never started, it's the unlimited that is absolute potential. The point is not knowing it but being open to it, then it's clear that the process is just a process and you can stop being enclosed in it. That's very simple to understand imo, but not simple to do. 

The point is do the movement, align yourself to make the action possible. The action is the openess of the actual structure to the nature of reality 

[Ziran]

10 hours ago, James123 said:

You learned within this life, experience with this body and mind?

Truth value is independent of source.

IOW, Truth isn't a popularity contest.

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😂 Or previous life with other minds? 😂 Or did you learn with alien consciousness? 😂 

Maybe I learned it in a dream.  Who cares, IF, it's true?

Edited 14 hours ago by Ziran

[James123]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then if they do that, according to you it means that my previous life didn't exist, because I don't remember it?

Look, we are a local process that's going to finish, but you can transcend the process and be the essence. That essence has no memory, will, desire, can't die and never started, it's the unlimited that is absolute potential. The point is not knowing it but being open to it, then it's clear that the process is just a process and you can stop being enclosed in it. That's very simple to understand imo, but not simple to do. 

The point is do the movement, align yourself to make the action possible. The action is the openess of the actual structure to the nature of reality 

 

1 hour ago, Nemra said:

Bro, the body is in the experience!

The body and anything that is not the body have existed together!

All what you said is bullshit.

If you really think that experiencing doesn't belong to body, hold your breath for 3 minutes or put a big stick to your ass.

And the see how your perception changes 😂 😆 😂 😂 😂 

1 minute ago, Ziran said:

Truth value is independent of source.

Definitely. Yet is not an experience.

2 minutes ago, Ziran said:

Maybe I learned it in a dream.  Who cares, if it's true?

All experiences are temporary, because it belongs to body. And that's all this thread about.

[Breakingthewall]

13 minutes ago, James123 said:

All experiences are temporary, because it belongs to body. And that's all this thread about.

2 hours ago, James123 said:

 

Sure but your experience is not the absolute, the absolute is the source of your experience. I think it's quite easy to understand it. "Experience" means awareness, and awareness happens due the human process. But your true nature is not the process, is the source of that process.

Then, from the process you can perceive the nature of the process, and realizing that you as a process are an expression of that nature, so what you really are is that nature, then when the process finish the absolute nature remains, and it's irrelevant if it's conscious of itself or not, if your self disappear or not, the absolute is and you are that. Really, not a mental history.

If you don't open yourself to it you can't understand it because for you reality=experience. 

Edited 14 hours ago by Breakingthewall