Nothing important is happening

[Breakingthewall]

9 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

just thought, if you reach state where self and reality are one as you say, how is that different from “no self” because it sounds like no boundary, and the self has to do with boundary for me. Yea you can say “reality is self” but then I feel the word self looses meaning a little…

Because there is recognition of being and registration of the experience. Maybe psychologically you reach a state where there is not differentiation, and subject and object are one, but your structure as a human mind means recognition of being. For me recognition means self. Then this self gets more and more elaborated , dual, social, anything, but its basis is recognition of being 

The point is that if you reach that state then the feeling is that there are no limits, it's the same anything, even being unconscious, everything is the reality, and you are that, so death is not a limit. But that doesn't mean that you are god or that after this experience you won't suffer anymore. 

Edited Friday at 12:38 PM by Breakingthewall

[Mellowmarsh]

43 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Because there is recognition of being and registration of the experience. Maybe psychologically you reach a state where there is not differentiation, and subject and object are one, but your structure as a human mind means recognition of being. For me recognition means self. Then this self gets more and more elaborated , dual, social, anything, but its basis is recognition of being 

The point is that if you reach that state then the feeling is that there are no limits, it's the same anything, even being unconscious, everything is the reality, and you are that, so death is not a limit. But that doesn't mean that you are god or that after this experience you won't suffer anymore. 

But the actual point is that this real reality is a simulation, it’s both real and unreal. Yet, neither. That’s the point.

 

How can oneness have an argument with itself, it’s like pistols at dawn. 

Edited Friday at 01:20 PM by Mellowmarsh

[VeganAwake]

14 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

For me recognition means self. Then this self gets more and more elaborated , dual, social, anything, but its basis is recognition of being 

Yes, it certainly feels like there is a real conscious being, observing and experiencing reality from a dual subject/object perspective.

Trace this recognition/experience backwards to its source.

Where is it coming from?

What is it exactly, that is claiming to have these experiences?

What does it consist of?

[Joseph Maynor]

Everything important is happening right now.  

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Yes, it certainly feels like there is a real conscious being, observing and experiencing reality from a dual subject/object perspective.

 

You didn't understand, it's not a conscious being observing and experiencing, it's experience that is self conscious 

4 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Where is it coming from?

Not "from" but the process that is happening, that we call it human implies self recognition 

4 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

What is it exactly, that is claiming to have these experiences?

Nobody is having these experience, the experience is happening and implies knowledge of being. The process itself is recognition of being, and "recognition" means self. 

[VeganAwake]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

You didn't understand, it's not a conscious being observing and experiencing, it's experience that is self conscious 

Not "from" but the process that is happening, that we call it human implies self recognition 

Nobody is having these experience, the experience is happening and implies knowledge of being. The process itself is recognition of being, and "recognition" means self. 

Is it possible that this whole theory is just simply a very creative and self righteous imagination using circular logic/self validation tactics to superimpose its theory onto reality and others, and then attempting to operate from that perspective?

It definitely gets an A+ for effort and creativity.

It's still not important, even if it was the case. 

It's importance stems from the socially conditioned matrix of mind.

[Breakingthewall]

17 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Is it possible that this whole theory is just simply a very creative and self righteous imagination using circular logic/self validation tactics to superimpose its theory onto reality and others, and then attempting to operate from that perspective?

It definitely gets an A+ for effort and creativity.

It's still not important, even if it was the case. 

It's importance stems from the socially conditioned matrix of mind.

It could be possible that you didn't understand what I'm saying? And that you repeat your mantra adding some condescendence because you need to validate your history because you are a narcissist that use your "enlightenment"to scape from reality and to feel special? Just a possibility that could be interesting to contemplate. 

Look your interactions, all are repetitive and without real communication. Are similar in your daily life? Like a guru who repeat a mantra who doesn't admit the minimum nuance to his "truth".

Do you say to your family that self doesn't exist, for example? Think carefully about it. If you can, of course. The most probable is that you dismiss any nuance that is pointed becoming condescending to maintain your narrative of the "enlightened" one. 

Edited 20 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

@VeganAwake try to read this without elaborating a condescending response without having understood.

Recognition of being is happening.

Knowing that self is imaginary is a mental idea. 

Recognition of being happens in complex organisms that create models of reality to operate 

Knowing that self is imaginary is an structure that happens inside of this model of reality. It's a relative knowledge,  a deduction. 

Knowledge of being is the very essence of this model of reality, or experience. 

Then, you don't need a self who knows that is, because knowing that you are is precisely the self. 

Lets see if you can argue this reasoning without condescendence and laugh that you use as a defense of your "enlightened" character 

Edited 17 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[VeganAwake]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It could be possible that you didn't understand what I'm saying? And that you repeat your mantra adding some condescendence because you need to validate your history because you are a narcissist that use your "enlightenment"to scape from reality and to feel special? Just a possibility that could be interesting to contemplate. 

Of course it's going to feel that way because "you" believe there is a real "someone here" pushing their belief system over yours. It feels threatening because there has been a lot of time invested and energy spent there building an air tight theory armored with numerous defense/escape tactics.

This story you've created though is a typical spiritual ego story. It feels resentment for its lack of awakening/attainment and understanding. So out of frustration, its made up its own theory using circular logic and twisting the meanings of words to make it difficult to challenge. ("I am everything" why? "Because I said so")

Its intelligent manipulation, great with words, but easily seen through! 

Its actually low self esteem, narcissism and defiance disorder driving that dream story machine over there.

It simply can't fathom that it's own stories and belief systems stem from an internal self illusion phenomenon.

It will continue to push these ridiculous stories until it's death.

But its not important for this to be recognized.

Doesn't matter in any way whatsoever!

[Breakingthewall]

29 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

This story you've created though is a typical spiritual ego story. It feels resentment for its lack of awakening/attainment and understanding. S

What are you talking about? Did you read what I wrote? You are emitting automatic response without understanding anything, like a defense. You can't having a conversation with anyone, only repeating your mantras, it's dramatic. Read again, let's see if you can grasp something. 

Look I'm going to repeat extra simple:

Experience means recognition of being. 

Where is the spiritual ego and those stupidities that you talk about? Just argue the sentence. Lets see if you can at least a minimum conversation. Just try it, it's a great effort for a narc but it's possible. Just try 

Again: 

Look: 

Coming!!!!!!

EXPERIENCE IMPLIES RECOGNITION OF BEING 

And this is the self. Nothing else. 

Lets read your defensive response.

 

Edited 16 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[VeganAwake]

11 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

What are you talking about? Did you read what I wrote? You are emitting automatic response without understanding anything, like a defense. You can't having a conversation with anyone, only repeating your mantras, it's dramatic. Read again, let's see if you can grasp something. 

Look I'm going to repeat extra simple:

Experience means recognition of being. 

Where is the spiritual ego and those stupidities that you talk about? Just argue the sentence. Lets see if you can at least a minimum conversation. Just try it, it's a great effort for a narc but it's possible. Just try 

Again: 

Look: 

Coming!!!!!!

EXPERIENCE IMPLIES RECOGNITION OF BEING 

And this is the self. Nothing else. 

Lets read your defensive response.

 

That recognition of being is occurring in almost every properly functioning human body. 

But that which claims to be all of reality, is the self illusion or spiritual ego. 

That exact belief can be traced back to the conditioned imagination. It's as real as a belief in unicorns, fairies and fire breathing dragons!

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

That recognition of being is occurring in almost every properly functioning human body. 

But that which claims to be all of reality, is the self illusion or spiritual ego. 

Who claimed being all the reality? Search the world "all", maybe it's your imagination. I said the reality, what is obvious. And the recognition of being doesn't happen in every function of human being, if you are in coma there is not recognition of being, only happens in the process that we call consciousness. That's why it's a self, because it's recognition of being. 

The body in coma is the reality expressed as a body that doesn't recognize that is, awake consciousness is an expression of the reality that recognizes that is. Where is the spiritual ego? It's just an obvious fact. 

Then if the reality recognizes that is through the consciousness, consciousness is the reality knowing that is. Where is the mystery and the spiritual narcissism? It's just an obvious fact. Not "all" the reality like you are creating your family, but "the reality". As the reality in unlimited , "the reality" is not a part of the reality, it's just the reality, that is expressed in many/infinite possibilities. It's just basic logic, if you need to deny to maintain your narrative it's just your problem.

Edited 2 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Mellowmarsh]

14 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

EXPERIENCE IMPLIES RECOGNITION OF BEING 

And this is the self. Nothing else. 

Our existence is defined by the external recognition of an image in the mirror. 
So what is being looked upon in the mirror is nothing but Imageless reflections of images. Nothing else. 

The ‘self’ as it’s known to be called, never actually sees itself externally or internally. Looking, can only reflect what’s looking. What is seen, is only the reflection of this empty looking reflecting upon its reflection,  and in that moment of instance there appears to be a recognition where the looking meets the looked upon, where the idea of a separate self is born. This sense of self recognition arises purely as a mentally constructed image of the imageless, thus the sense of separation is an artificially formed form.

  This mental image formed is the mistaken identity appearing to have form, but is no form, mental constructions are  formless images.
 

Infinite seeing is empty of any Identity. 

In reality, there’s no real identified image called ‘myself’  being born, because Nothing is real. Nothing is reality.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's just basic logic, if you need to deny to maintain your narrative it's just your problem.

You, Breakingthewall, are not really listening to your own falsely constructed mental narrative of what you believe self to be, because you are too busy identifying with your own self constructed narrative as being your reality. In reality, there’s no sense of self actuality being a self, except in this conception as it’s being narrated. This recognition is a misidentification, it’s an illogical irrational problem that only you are creating, albeit artificially, because what exactly is a self without its self constructed narrated construction of such. You are always under construction, you never complete as a claimed fully fledged figure called a separate ( I ) or ( self) because you are infinite. Infinite possibilities never complete, or repeat.

 

Infinity has no self to maintain. Infinite is extremely no maintenance. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Mellowmarsh