Nothing important is happening

[Breakingthewall]

9 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

just thought, if you reach state where self and reality are one as you say, how is that different from “no self” because it sounds like no boundary, and the self has to do with boundary for me. Yea you can say “reality is self” but then I feel the word self looses meaning a little…

Because there is recognition of being and registration of the experience. Maybe psychologically you reach a state where there is not differentiation, and subject and object are one, but your structure as a human mind means recognition of being. For me recognition means self. Then this self gets more and more elaborated , dual, social, anything, but its basis is recognition of being 

The point is that if you reach that state then the feeling is that there are no limits, it's the same anything, even being unconscious, everything is the reality, and you are that, so death is not a limit. But that doesn't mean that you are god or that after this experience you won't suffer anymore. 

Edited yesterday at 12:38 PM by Breakingthewall

[Mellowmarsh]

43 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Because there is recognition of being and registration of the experience. Maybe psychologically you reach a state where there is not differentiation, and subject and object are one, but your structure as a human mind means recognition of being. For me recognition means self. Then this self gets more and more elaborated , dual, social, anything, but its basis is recognition of being 

The point is that if you reach that state then the feeling is that there are no limits, it's the same anything, even being unconscious, everything is the reality, and you are that, so death is not a limit. But that doesn't mean that you are god or that after this experience you won't suffer anymore. 

But the actual point is that this real reality is a simulation, it’s both real and unreal. Yet, neither. That’s the point.

 

How can oneness have an argument with itself, it’s like pistols at dawn. 

Edited yesterday at 01:20 PM by Mellowmarsh

[VeganAwake]

14 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

For me recognition means self. Then this self gets more and more elaborated , dual, social, anything, but its basis is recognition of being 

Yes, it certainly feels like there is a real conscious being, observing and experiencing reality from a dual subject/object perspective.

Trace this recognition/experience backwards to its source.

Where is it coming from?

What is it exactly, that is claiming to have these experiences?

What does it consist of?

[Joseph Maynor]

Everything important is happening right now.  

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Yes, it certainly feels like there is a real conscious being, observing and experiencing reality from a dual subject/object perspective.

 

You didn't understand, it's not a conscious being observing and experiencing, it's experience that is self conscious 

4 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Where is it coming from?

Not "from" but the process that is happening, that we call it human implies self recognition 

4 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

What is it exactly, that is claiming to have these experiences?

Nobody is having these experience, the experience is happening and implies knowledge of being. The process itself is recognition of being, and "recognition" means self. 

[VeganAwake]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

You didn't understand, it's not a conscious being observing and experiencing, it's experience that is self conscious 

Not "from" but the process that is happening, that we call it human implies self recognition 

Nobody is having these experience, the experience is happening and implies knowledge of being. The process itself is recognition of being, and "recognition" means self. 

Is it possible that this whole theory is just simply a very creative and self righteous imagination using circular logic/self validation tactics to superimpose its theory onto reality and others, and then attempting to operate from that perspective?

It definitely gets an A+ for effort and creativity.

It's still not important, even if it was the case. 

It's importance stems from the socially conditioned matrix of mind.

[Breakingthewall]

17 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Is it possible that this whole theory is just simply a very creative and self righteous imagination using circular logic/self validation tactics to superimpose its theory onto reality and others, and then attempting to operate from that perspective?

It definitely gets an A+ for effort and creativity.

It's still not important, even if it was the case. 

It's importance stems from the socially conditioned matrix of mind.

It could be possible that you didn't understand what I'm saying? And that you repeat your mantra adding some condescendence because you need to validate your history because you are a narcissist that use your "enlightenment"to scape from reality and to feel special? Just a possibility that could be interesting to contemplate. 

Look your interactions, all are repetitive and without real communication. Are similar in your daily life? Like a guru who repeat a mantra who doesn't admit the minimum nuance to his "truth".

Do you say to your family that self doesn't exist, for example? Think carefully about it. If you can, of course. The most probable is that you dismiss any nuance that is pointed becoming condescending to maintain your narrative of the "enlightened" one. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Breakingthewall