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[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Yeah, it defintely feels softer and looser. Can't say I have seen through it all the way. But can a character in a dream really be called real ?

What did Leo say, you just imagined your birth.

And Adyashanti has this analogy of the character we believe ourselves to be, being like a child in the front passenger seat with its own play play steering wheel, honestly believing it's driving the car. 🙂

An human being is a process, this process includes many things, and one of them is the act of knowing, of creating a temporal map anticipating the future by connecting it with the past, integrating memory, emotions, learning, and genetics.

This process is the self, and it is the force of life made knowledge and vector. To say that it is unreal, as "adya" does, serves as comfort to depressed people, which is something, but it is simply false.

[Wilhelm44]

19 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

An human being is a process, this process includes many things, and one of them is the act of knowing, of creating a temporal map anticipating the future by connecting it with the past, integrating memory, emotions, learning, and genetics.

This process is the self, and it is the force of life made knowledge and vector. To say that it is unreal, as "adya" does, serves as comfort to depressed people, which is something, but it is simply false.

I don't think the relevance of these human processes are being denied.

I think the word real here is being used in the sense that: your body and psychology can't possibly be your true identity. If it were your true or real identity, then you would completely cease to exist when the body dies. Atheists believe they are real, that's why they trying to find ways to live forever.

[Mellowmarsh]

43 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

An human being is a process, this process includes many things, and one of them is the act of knowing, of creating a temporal map anticipating the future by connecting it with the past, integrating memory, emotions, learning, and genetics.

This process is the self, and it is the force of life made knowledge and vector. To say that it is unreal, as "adya" does, serves as comfort to depressed people, which is something, but it is simply false.

This is well thought out, but the opposite is also true. The unreal is always real, and the truthless is true.

[Mellowmarsh]

22 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Atheists believe they are real, that's why they trying to find ways to live forever.

Just a thought, but living forever wouldn’t even be much fun because you’d eventually get bored after experiencing everything there is to experience, so life would eventually become stagnant and old and worn out, that’s why death is equally a gift as is birth. Death allows for every birth to feel brand new as one would feel like they are living for the very first time.

Sorry if this has been clumsily worded, but it’s difficult to say what is being pointed to sometimes.

[Wilhelm44]

11 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Just a thought, but living forever wouldn’t even be much fun because you’d eventually get bored after experiencing everything there is to experience, so life would eventually become stagnant and old and worn out, that’s why death is equally a gift as is birth. Death allows for every birth to feel brand new as one would feel like they are living for the very first time.

Sorry if this has been clumsily worded, but it’s difficult to say what is being pointed to sometimes.

Totally agree, even if you were holidaying on the best tropical island, you would eventually get tired of it.

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Totally agree, even if you were holidaying on the best tropical island, you would eventually get tired of it.

Exactly, absolutely 💯 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I don't think the relevance of these human processes are being denied.

I think the word real here is being used in the sense that: your body and psychology can't possibly be your true identity. If it were your true or real identity, then you would completely cease to exist when the body dies. Atheists believe they are real, that's why they trying to find ways to live forever.

Your identity has many layers and no one is false, you could say that are relative. You could say that ultimate what you are is being, then it's the same you, me, a stone or anything, but that doesn't mean that the process that's happening, the manifestation of the fact of being, is false. Imo if you say that the only thing that you get is confusion. That's why those spiritual teachers sounds so mysterious, just because their mental map is wrong 

[Breakingthewall]

54 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

This is well thought out, but the opposite is also true. The unreal is always real, and the truthless is true.

I don't think so, there is only one correct understanding and many wrong understanding. The idea is get as close as you can of the right one, not believing what makes you feel better just because a seller of books told it 

[Mellowmarsh]

19 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I don't think so, there is only one correct understanding and many wrong understanding. The idea is get as close as you can of the right one, not believing what makes you feel better just because a seller of books told it 

The right one is only right because it’s not wrong. 

[Breakingthewall]

16 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

The right one is only right because it’s not wrong. 

1 hour ago, Mellowmarsh said:

 

Is right because it's aligned with the real structure of the object of that understanding 

Edited 2 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Mellowmarsh]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Is right because it's aligned with the real structure of the object of that understanding 

And that wouldn’t be wrong.

[Mellowmarsh]

46 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The idea is get as close as you can of the right one, not believing what makes you feel better just because a seller of books told it 

If you want a book that makes you feel better, writing your own would be a better idea. 

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

And that wouldn’t be wrong.

Your logical mind has the same basis than the reality, in fact it's the reality in the form of a logical mind, not something illusory or false. Then it could be aligned with the structure of the reality 

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Mellowmarsh said:

If you want a book that makes you feel better, writing your own would be a better idea. 

I feel good enough, I want to make a perfect map not a map for relief 

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Your logical mind has the same basis than the reality, in fact it's the reality in the form of a logical mind, not something illusory or false. Then it could be aligned with the structure of the reality 

The logical mind is known, never seen. It’s a real illusion.

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

I feel good enough, I want to make a perfect map not a map for relief 

Paracetamol is a useful relief for most headaches. If you’re feeling good enough, then great, no need to be getting inside some other head, it’s enough just to be in your own. 

[Wilhelm44]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Your identity has many layers and no one is false, you could say that are relative. You could say that ultimate what you are is being, then it's the same you, me, a stone or anything, but that doesn't mean that the process that's happening, the manifestation of the fact of being, is false. Imo if you say that the only thing that you get is confusion. That's why those spiritual teachers sounds so mysterious, just because their mental map is wrong 

I'm not saying the character is false. But if I was convinced that all I am is the character, then I would be incorrect. Surely you can agree to that ?