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[Sugarcoat]

On 2026-06-08 at 9:42 PM, VeganAwake said:

Yeah, it's all of those things and I suspect its a little different for each body.

That lived sense of self will never dissolve entirely, it's energy flow is to habitual, but it can seem to loosen up and feel lighter.

Here it wasn't anything physical initially.

It was seeing/realizing this sense of myself wasn't as solid as it had once seemed to be.

Like a glimpse at first, then little by little, over a period of a couple days, it started to become obvious that it wasn't actually there or real.

Like the sense of self went from a sturdy brick house to a wobbly house of cards in days.

And at a certain point, it became obvious that it never was.

Everything felt lighter and less serious almost immediately. 

The energy put into the clinch of this self illusion is incredible, and weirdly only really noticeable after it relaxes.

I can relate to what you saying, it describes my experience too except the part where you say "obvious it wasn't actually there/never was" which sounds like the sense would be totally gone for you. But you also say "that lived sense of self will never dissolve entirely", so it doesn't make fully sense to me, sounds a bit contradictory. But its okay, I guess it's hard to articulate those things, for me too. 

Also I never really had that super solid sense of self people seem to have (what I imagine many have), for me it was more kinda "dense mind stuff" or something, not super "solid" sense. Actually ive never had either the super solid real sense of self, nor the No self. Im something in between I think, just based on my experience and observations

After reading again I think I may understand better what you mean but ill let my reply be anyways for now

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[Sugarcoat]

On 2026-06-09 at 3:39 PM, Breakingthewall said:

Imo there are two problems with the non dualistic paradigm. First that they assume that duality is an illusion, second, that reality is consciousness. 

Duality is a structural fact, it's the same if everything is ultimately the same, duality is happening. It's not an illusion, it's the form of reality now. 

And consciousness is an arising, not the reality. And arises due the fact of structural duality. It's reality perceiving itself. Perceive implies a self that appears when the reality adopts a mode that is a representation of a change of information between two separate realities. Both could be essentially the same, but now they are separate. 

The paradigm oneness and illusion leads to confusion, to get stuck in a frozen state where you are closed to the real power of what is. Flat, empty, limited 

Maybe it relates to this idea: if something appears to be exactly a certain way, what's the difference between that and it actually being that way. 

I dont remember if you've said that before (something along those lines) but Ive thought about it. 

Also, theres a difference between saying "the normal experience is false/illusion" in the way of: people dont see how their mind shapes a lot of their perception

Vs saying "duality is illusion", like you gave example of,  which sounds more like: any sense of separation or self at ALL is illusion 

The first one I think I can recognize, but the second I dont know 

Also for me too I associate the term consciousness with "being aware of" and when people say that word to talk about reality I feel they sometimes just wanna feel "profound" feeling 😂 What's the point of using already established words and then change meaning 

 

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[Sugarcoat]

10 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Hahaha, I can’t get over how he manages to keep a straight face during his talks. His demeanour is so nonchalant, and then out of the blue he’ll  just spontaneously burst into a fit of laughter. 😂 

 

Yes, it’s that “ non dual “ joke that never wears off.

Yea its so genuine, someone couldn't fake being like that

[Sugarcoat]

9 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I mean relaxation of the mechanisms that are happening on behalf of the character, like anxiety, worry, control, paranoia, resistance etc.

Since I really began to sense that the character is not real, its been feeling like a nice unravelling, like when the wrappings around a mummy just keep on rolling off freely.

Why the sense "its not real", rather than just it being more softer and looser? A drop of paint in a puddle of water can seem just as real as a stone in the water, just more diffuse borders. But maybe the message did affect you, what do I know 

[Sugarcoat]

On 2026-06-09 at 6:48 AM, Wilhelm44 said:

Yeah, and he actually looks happy, which is kind of refreshing in the world of nonduality lol.

Yea, some of them kinda "dry"

Actually I challenge this idea that the most profound people in the world are enlightened ones. Seems some in spiritual community thinks this. 

A person who's not enlightened could be more profound, meanwhile the enlightened one could be like normal person just that the self dissapeared somehow, or they could be profound in some way but its quite one-sided (like being still and able to point to non dual truth with words but then being kinda flat in personality or energy) 

🤓

[Sugarcoat]

9 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

The body and all physical objects exist in reality

Ive thought about this, because reality seems so "structured". People say "theres only what youre experiencing right now" but what if its actually: theres only the world, the reality, and there arises the self. Meaning that the room youre in right now is indeed connected to the outside of the building, it's not just "immediately appearing" when you are experiencing it. This thing about reality being so damn "structured" (like how your city is the same every time you go there) is really a mind fuck when you compare it to how some people describe reality

Not saying this is what you meant but just some thoughts 

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[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Also for me too I associate the term consciousness with "being aware of" and when people say that word to talk about reality I feel they sometimes just wanna feel "profound" feeling 😂 What's the point of using already established words and then change meaning

Like when they say that reality is love, but not the normal love that we know, but mystical love, that's totally different. Them why they know that it's love, if it's totally different?

2 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Maybe it relates to this idea: if something appears to be exactly a certain way, what's the difference between that and it actually being that way. 

I think that for making a definition we should use logic, because a definition is made by logic. Then is someone says: one day I realized that the self was illusory! Boom! Ahhh ok, how you realized it? I just realized brother, you have to being awake to it. Awake how? Just awake brother!!! The self is illusory!!!!! You can't understand it because you are not awake. Ok ok, but here is a brain, with self perception, that also perceives reality and knows that is, and this is a self. No brother, the self is illusion, I realized and now I feel light!! Ok ok, over all be calm, don't get nervous😅

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[VeganAwake]

2 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

I can relate to what you saying, it describes my experience too except the part where you say "obvious it wasn't actually there/never was" which sounds like the sense would be totally gone for you. But you also say "that lived sense of self will never dissolve entirely", so it doesn't make fully sense to me, sounds a bit contradictory. But its okay, I guess it's hard to articulate those things, for me too. 

Also I never really had that super solid sense of self people seem to have (what I imagine many have), for me it was more kinda "dense mind stuff" or something, not super "solid" sense. Actually ive never had either the super solid real sense of self, nor the No self. Im something in between I think, just based on my experience and observations

After reading again I think I may understand better what you mean but ill let my reply be anyways for now

I see,

Interesting because it wasn't actually obvious right at first. You caught that lol. At first, it was still assumed to have been there for as long as I could remember, even though it had become obvious that it wasn't currently real.

It was quite possibly somewhere around 18 months later, when it became totally clear that it was never actually there from start...... it had just seemed to be there.

 

The self character isn't totally forgotten. In fact the body can still play the role of that character almost perfectly because there had been identification as that self for so long.

The difference is that character is  completely understood to be fiction, so things aren't taken so seriously, there is no loger getting stuck in that drama play.

It's freedom from the seriousness of that identification, but for nobody. Like energy just acting out roles. 

Certain memories can get fuzzy though, as if the recognition effects them a bit.

Definitely not like amnesia or anything though 🤔 

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

People say "theres only what youre experiencing right now

And earth is flat and there are aliens hidden by the CIA, and there is no self

[Breakingthewall]

@VeganAwake

Read again those ignorant people

Al hallaj: I am the truth.

Nisgardatta: I am that 

Ramana maharshi: the reality is the I

Jesus: I'm the path , the truth and the life

            Before Abraham, I am

Upanishads: Brahman is the self

Shivaism: I am Shiva

Meister Eckhart: the eye with god see me is the eye with I see god

 

Look, that you feel that the self is not real doesn't mean that it isn't. Some people feel that they should be idols, other that are possessed by demons, there are many feelings, but the reality is more, let's say, logical 

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[Sugarcoat]

19 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

And earth is flat and there are aliens hidden by the CIA, and there is no self

Got me thinking of this solipsism thing

Like thats funny, why would someone think all of reality would be limited to one single "pov" .

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

Got me thinking of this solipsism thing

Like thats funny, why would someone think all of reality would be limited to one single "pov" .

Then after that pov what? Another pov right? So reality is a time line, but then they say that time is an illusion. So where is the next pov? You have to awake to it, and you are not. Ahhh

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then after that pov what? Another pov right? So reality is a time line, but then they say that time is an illusion. So where is the next pov? You have to awake to it, and you are not. Ahhh

They say a lot, but not much is being said 🤯

 

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[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

They say a lot, but not much is being said 🤯

 

If you can't experience any other experience that yours, that means that only your experience exist. Well....and if you wish hard enough, all your wishes will come true.

[Sugarcoat]

 

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

If you can't experience any other experience that yours, that means that only your experience exist. Well....and if you wish hard enough, all your wishes will come true.

If you have very few wishes maybe it’s possible😅