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[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

But It ultimately doesn't matter because when those bodies die, there won't be even the slightest memory of living joyfully and or suffering miserably. 

That valoration is just an opinion, and incorrect in my opinion. Now it matters , and when the body dies an energetic imprint will remain. In the form of your son's structure for example, or anything else.

Then he will die, and the planet earth will disappear, but all the information will remain until the big freeze and when the universe restarts it will keep the information of you. This is not new age, just physics. Then maybe you could better say that everything matter

7 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

The body will turn its head if its name is called, prefer tea over coffee, and jump out of the way of a moving bus coming its direction, prior to thinking about it. That's called conditioning and survival instinct. 

The self illusion is that which claims after the fact "I did that" or "I made that choice"

It claims to be the thinker of thoughts and the doer of action.

What you call the body includes that self that you define as nonexistent. Human structure is a stable energetic process of unimaginable complexity that is happening now in reality; that is to say, it is an expression of reality.

This process includes a hyper-complex network of relationships between fields, particles, atoms, molecules, cells, and electrical impulses, which form a self that decides.

This self is entirely real. It can decide between burning itself alive with gasoline or eating ice cream. There is a universe of cause and effect that gives this self a concrete form, but ultimately there is a decision that is not predetermined. Reality works this way; it is the principle of quantum decoherence. Nothing is determined until all current relationships occur. Reality in not a determined thing but a wave of potentiality that actualices itself when the relationship take place

The self is the visible tip of this cascade of relationships that give rise to movement. An action happen, and it's decided for a drive, a push, an unbalance to a side. The self is that drive. Not other mysterious force but you, the reality happening . 

7 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Preferences and choices are made due to the body's conditioning or upbringing. It's not a free will choice, it's all determined by its past traumas, experiences, societal upbringing.. etc....etc

All those are conditions that construct the structure that the self is as a manifestation of the reality, but ultimately the self is the final drive. Nothing can be determined, it's impossible. You can't know all the data because the uncertainty principle forbids it; it's absolutely impossible to know all the variables, even with an infinite computer. Reality pushes in one direction or another. You are reality doing that, manifesting as a self that decides.

7 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

There's nobody that knows that. That which believes that's a fact, is an illusion.

It's the reality knowing that is and what is. And you are that. Why to deny what's obviously real?

Edited 19 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[VeganAwake]

@Breakingthewall

I understand what you're saying.

I don't think you understand what I mean by "self illusion" 

No biggie!!!

[Breakingthewall]

10 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

@Breakingthewall

I understand what you're saying.

I don't think you understand what I mean by "self illusion" 

No biggie!!!

I understand perfectly. You're referring to the feeling of centrality, of being an individual in control, a receiver of experience, moving along a timeline, defining itself, fearing, and desiring. Since this is something transitory, according to your assessment, it's unreal.

What I'm saying is that this self is a process, a local expression of the global process of this universe, and its drive is the drive that is taking place. So, if this self is an expression of the universe, which in turn is an expression of reality, then it can dilute the density of its local structure until only reality remains.

Then this self and reality are one, but even so, the fundamental structure of the self persists. This structure is the fact of reality being conscious of itself.

[gettoefl]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

I understand perfectly. You're referring to the feeling of centrality, of being an individual in control, a receiver of experience, moving along a timeline, defining itself, fearing, and desiring. Since this is something transitory, according to your assessment, it's unreal.

What I'm saying is that this self is a process, a local expression of the global process of this universe, and its drive is the drive that is taking place. So, if this self is an expression of the universe, which in turn is an expression of reality, then it can dilute the density of its local structure until only reality remains.

Then this self and reality are one, but even so, the fundamental structure of the self persists. This structure is the fact of reality being conscious of itself.

My take is as follows if I may interject. There are 2 thought types: ego and god if you will. Ego thoughts are I want to stay here and will do all I can to enjoy my stay. God thoughts are the correction to ego thoughts. I've no need to stay here a day longer and am happy to stay or go. Thinking thus leads one to increasing silence. I am not batting for ego if you will. Everything is good, all around me is good and what unfolds is good. I no longer choose based on this body and my and family's interests. The body and the world are realised to be a shallow version of ultimate reality and I withdraw my stake in it. What I am doing is putting myself in reality's hands. I am not relying on the past to choose preferences and requirements. What is, is good. God thought's rule now and what will happen will be not just good but very good. 

Begging the question, do you want to stay or do you want to go?

 

Edited 18 hours ago by gettoefl

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

My take is as follows if I may interject. There are 2 thought types: ego and god if you will. Ego thoughts are I want to stay here and will do all I can to enjoy my stay.

Then you are saying that it's better for your life being detached than attached, and surely you are right, but that's different to affirm that you are not real.

One thing is a preference, the other a self induced psychosis. Your preference can open yourself to the totality, but the induced psychosis will encloses you. 

[gettoefl]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then you are saying that it's better for your life being detached than attached, and surely you are right, but that's different to affirm that you are not real.

One thing is a preference, the other a self induced psychosis. Your preference can open yourself to the totality, but the induced psychosis will encloses you. 

Thank you friend. Agreed.

[VeganAwake]

15 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I understand perfectly. You're referring to the feeling of centrality, of being an individual in control, a receiver of experience, moving along a timeline, defining itself, fearing, and desiring. Since this is something transitory, according to your assessment, it's unreal.

What I'm saying is that this self is a process, a local expression of the global process of this universe, and its drive is the drive that is taking place. So, if this self is an expression of the universe, which in turn is an expression of reality, then it can dilute the density of its local structure until only reality remains.

Then this self and reality are one, but even so, the fundamental structure of the self persists. This structure is the fact of reality being conscious of itself.

Then that's what's being experienced there. It's whole, complete and perfect!

Just to be clear, in no way was I trying to insinuate that a no self awakening is deeper, better or more spiritually valuable than anything you have described. 

It almost sounds like you are repeating everything I talk about, except switching it from "unreal/illusion" to  "real/reality".......kind of entertaining 🤷‍♂️ 

Prior to 2018, there was a very needy and desperate seeker here that was determined to understand all of reality or the truth of everything if you will.

It thought that by knowing this information, it would gain some sort of advantage in life and over others. The truth would set me free.

It read countless spiritual books, digested hundreds of hours of spiritual content from YouTube, did daily yoga sessions and meditated sometimes up to 2 hrs a day for over 2 years straight. If anyone could figure this stuff out, it was going to be me right!

One day while feeling exhausted by all the endless spiritual seeking and without finding any lasting satisfaction, some questions arose like........Why am I doing all of this exhausting work?  Who wanted the truth so damn badly? Where does this constant seeking energy come from? Who wants to know?

The outwardly seeking completely halted and the internal seeking began.......it lasted several days, it was a very deep self introspection, or so it was thought to be. 

What happened over the next several days is difficult to describe because it wasn't like anything I had ever experienced previously or even heard of, and I had done quite a bit of hallucinogens in my late teens. It wasn't like any of those experiences at all. 

It was quickly becoming obvious that this me character wasn't as solid and real as it once seemed to be.

As this introspection process continued, it became as if, the closer this self character was looked at, the more transparent or invisible it was becoming. It was dissolving as it was being interrogated. 

There was a lot of energetic excitement taking place because of how incredibly weird and surprising this was becoming.

Everything started to feel lighter and less serious. This self character was being stripped away like onion layers at an onion ring factory.

But simultaneously they weren't even being stripped away, rather they were never there from the start.

There was a massive shift away from upholding this self construct called me.............its been quite a while now and it still sounds bizarre to tell the story.