Reinterpreting Loneliness

[Nemra]

I have been feeling negative about being alone as God because I have constructed a limited self that wants to feel in control without realizing that the boundary of the self is an illusion.

Having a negative reaction against God being solipsistic means that you haven't yet realized that being God is totally positive.

It's ontologically impossible for God to be negative. The existence of God is positive to itself because God is one.

The simplicity of that logic is beautiful.

Edited yesterday at 12:37 PM by Nemra

[tuku747]

Oneness doesn't necessarily imply loneliness. It's like saying God couldn't solve his own loneliness; what kind of God would that be? There are an Infinity of Gods anyway; a solipsistic bubble is just that, an inflated ego which will one day pop. Then you will see that there are an Infinity of bubbles, any limitation of "One" now shattered. 😉 

[Willy Phallicus]

Ill say God is lonely, bored and his existence is ultimately meaningless and naturally people interpret that as being wrong and tell me it's negative outlook - I'm assuming that's because of what loneliness, boredom and meaninglessness means to most human beings - even if I clarify that I don't mean it in a negative sense.

Ultimately yes, there are no real downsides to being God but nothing is impossible, ontologically or otherwise to the supreme deity. 

[No1Here2c]

Meaninglessness exists in human imagination.

Edited 3 hours ago by No1Here2c

[Breakingthewall]

It's impossible that god is alone because it's unlimited. "Alone" only makes sense being limited. Alone implies others as a possibility, and for this the reality must be limited. The unlimited is not closed, then alone is not a possibility, even just teorically it's not conceivable. God alone implies that god is an individual, what implies that it's just you, the individual, thinking that you are god

Edited 3 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Willy Phallicus]

24 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Meaninglessness exists in human imagination.

Meaninglessness goes way beyond human comprehension and the human imagination is a shit show of epic proportions.

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

It's impossible that god is alone because it's unlimited. "Alone" only makes sense being limited. Alone implies others as a possibility, and for this the reality must be limited. The unlimited is not closed, then alone is not a possibility, even just teorically it's not conceivable. God alone implies that god is an individual, what implies that it's just you, the individual, thinking that you are god

"People" really struggle with the Oneness thing.

There's only one mind in the Universe.  In the complete absence of other minds "Alone" is a perfectly good metaphor.

[No1Here2c]

Human mind is as a refraction of Infinity.

Like a dewdrop, reflecting off the petal of a flower, the entirety of the meadow.

[Breakingthewall]

28 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

Meaninglessness goes way beyond human comprehension and the human imagination is a shit show of epic proportions.

"People" really struggle with the Oneness thing.

There's only one mind in the Universe.  In the complete absence of other minds "Alone" is a perfectly good metaphor.

Reality is not a mind, if it were a mind then if would be alone, because a mind implies a center that elaborates. Reality is unlimited. Reality and unlimited are synonyms. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

13 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Human mind is as a refraction of Infinity.

Like a dewdrop, reflecting off the petal of a flower, the entirety of the meadow.

Human mind can become unlimited and then be one with the unlimited. Then the unlimited recognizes itself, it's precisely you, but without limits 

[No1Here2c]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Human mind can become unlimited and then be one with the unlimited. Then the unlimited recognizes itself, it's precisely you, but without limits 

Is the unlimited that which does all recognizing?

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, No1Here2c said:

Is the unlimited that which does all recognizing?

It's you, the human, who is an expression of the unlimited, who recognizes itself as the unlimited expressed in a local process. But this doesn't mean that in one side is the unlimited and in other the human seeing it, both are one. 

[No1Here2c]

42 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's you, the human, who is an expression of the unlimited, who recognizes itself as the unlimited expressed in a local process. But this doesn't mean that in one side is the unlimited and in other the human seeing it, both are one. 

Can the unlimited exist without the expressed limitations? 

Independently of form?

Autocorrect bit me. ;}

~♤~

Forced to do this

@Breakingthewall

I think the form is formless. Distinction between is itself imaginary. They are not two but one. Form is Infinity, Infinity is formless. Formless is Consciousness, Consciousness is indistinguishable from the form which it observes. Unification. Indistinguishable, from the highest level. Of course as relative self... the whole story changes

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@Willy Phallicus

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Are you totally 100% conscious of the literal fact that you are literally talking to yourself right in this very moment? Yes or No?  That answer will settle whether you know or understand anything at all. 

Refer here >>> https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/114636-reinterpreting-loneliness/?do=findComment&comment=1771331

 

Edited 1 hour ago by No1Here2c

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Can the unlimited exist without the expressed limitations? 

Independently of form?

Seems absolutely sure that there are always form, because the lapse between 2 forms in not a lapse, doesn't exist. existing means form, and form means process, relative change. 

What you could ask is: is the unlimited the same unlimited without existing? Is the nothing same absolute than the something? I'd say yes. The unlimited is absolute depth, and manifestation is just inevitable consequence of the fact of limitlessness 

[Willy Phallicus]

36 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Reality is not a mind, if it were a mind then if would be alone, because a mind implies a center that elaborates. Reality is unlimited. Reality and unlimited are synonyms. 

Are you totally 100% conscious of the literal fact that you are literally talking to yourself right in this very moment? Yes or No?  That answer will settle whether you know or understand anything at all. 

Why did you create me, the universe and the Actualized community, which has a solipsistic leaning, to have this conversation?  Could it be because you wouldn't be able to have this very discussion you wanted to have otherwise?  

When you ask the guru for the truth and the guru says "this" is the truth you're looking for he's not being mystical, cute or coy in any way.  He's telling it like it is.  Its up to you whether you want to accept the truth or not.

100% for the record I don't blame or judge you one fucking bit because who the fuck wants to take responsibility for this shit show, Im not but hey, it fuckin woke you up didnt it? It fucking worked and having the realization that you're God like its the first time every time is just about the best damn fucking outcome you can have.  

Holy shit, I really am the Savior so then you save yourself (since its its just you and can only be you) through the knowledge that its just you so everything is actually hunky dory.  You're certainly not bored.

Edited 1 hour ago by Willy Phallicus

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

Are you totally 100% conscious of the literal fact that you are literally talking to yourself right in this very moment? Yes or No?  That answer will settle whether you know or understand anything at all. 

Yes I'm talking about myself, but what I am is not a mind, it's the absolute unlimited expressed now as a human

10 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

Why did you create me, the universe and the Actualized community, which has a solipsistic leaning, to have this conversation?  Could it be because you wouldn't be able to have this very discussion you wanted to have otherwise?  

I didn't create nothing, existence arises in the unlimited because it's unlimited, and what I am now is a local process that expresses the unlimited now, but I'm not the only local process because what I am, the unlimited, is expressed in unlimited forms. 

13 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

When you ask the guru for the truth and the guru says "this" is the truth you're looking for he's not being mystical, cute or coy in any way.  He's telling it like it is.  Its up to you whether you want to accept the truth or not.

They also use to ask money, and some times that you suck his dick. It's up to you to accept it or not

[Breakingthewall]

20 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

100% for the record I don't blame or judge you one fucking bit because who the fuck wants to take responsibility for this shit show, Im not but hey, it fuckin woke you up didnt it? It fucking worked and having the realization that you're God like its the first time every time is just about the best damn fucking outcome you can have. 

This is as far of real enlightenment as can be. It's just a belief that you get by watching gurus and that now you really believe that it's the truth. It's very obvious reading you that your ego is very dense. It's not that you still have work to do, it's that you haven't started yet 

[Willy Phallicus]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's just a belief that you get by watching gurus and that now you really believe that it's the truth.

I didn't come to my understanding through a guru.  That came on by its own, out of nowhere (no drugs) on a couple of occasions and I sought the guru to tell me I wasn't actually fucking crazy.  The guru and the drugs confirmed what I already knew because I knew I had forgotten it.  Its sublime metaphysical poetry on an infinite scale.

When you hear "You are God" that's not a joke.  Its just you motherfucker, having a whacked out fever dream on planet durp.  The joke is you're telling yourself you're God and you're simply not accepting the truth of what is right in front of your fucking face.  You actually managed to convince yourself this shit was real - that's how fuckin good you are.  You cant help but love it.

We could get along but you make that impossible.  This is just your reminder that you're responsible for the dream so if you're dream sucks you can have a better dream.  Win the lottery or something,  I dunno.  Get rid of your alcohol addiction and drive right and shit.  Up to you.

[Breakingthewall]

5 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

I didn't come to my understanding through a guru.  That came on by its own, out of nowhere (no drugs) on a couple of occasions and I sought the guru to tell me I wasn't actually fucking crazy.  The guru and the drugs confirmed what I already knew because I knew I had forgotten it.  Its sublime metaphysical poetry on an infinite scale.

When you hear "You are God" that's not a joke.  Its just you motherfucker, having a whacked out fever dream on planet durp.  The joke is you're telling yourself you're God and you're simply not accepting the truth of what is right in front of your fucking face.  You actually managed to convince yourself this shit was real - that's how fuckin good you are.  You cant help but love it.

We could get along but you make that impossible.  This is just your reminder that you're responsible for the dream so if you're dream sucks you can have a better dream.  Win the lottery or something,  I dunno.  Get rid of your alcohol addiction and drive right and shit.  Up to you.

What you are saying is absolutely wrong, it's a delusional view that is very common, I also had it many times with psychedelics. It's a stage in the dissolution of the density of the self. It has a name in meditation, Im going to search any link. 

This one for example. Look, what you are talking about is a creation of the mind. Don't get stuck in it

[Nemra]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's impossible that god is alone because it's unlimited. "Alone" only makes sense being limited.

The reason it is alone is because of its unlimitedness.

You phrase it as "the unlimited". There can only be one "the unlimited" because "the unlimited" must be the only unlimited. There must be one "the unlimited" that is not limited by anything. 

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

God alone implies that god is an individual.

You are removing the infinitude of God and ironically telling that God implies an individual.

God is not merely God because it should be God; it must have the attribute of being infinite.

You are polishing the presentation of your logic without being logical here.

Edited 36 minutes ago by Nemra

[Breakingthewall]

14 minutes ago, Nemra said:

God is not merely God because it should be God; it must have the attribute of being infinite

If God is infinite it has no preference because it's precisely everything right? Then it's not creating anything with an intention because any intention would imply preference. 

Then this god wouldn't be an entity with a will, but the unlimited that is and being it's manifested in unlimited possibilities happening. Then , the unlimited that is is not "one", it's unlimited. That's why they call non duality instead oneness, because it's not two, but neither one, it's unlimited