Sam Harris : Hasan Piker Is the Left's Nick Fuentes

[Leo Gura]

21 minutes ago, Cred said:

The fact they came from feudalism and managed to lift as many people out of poverty as they did and them ending up being able to compete with western states is nothing short of a miracle.

They would have had better results with plain old capitalism.

All of Marxism was a distraction.

Capitalism worked in America and it would have worked in China, Korea, Russia, Cuba, etc.

South Korea vs North Korea proves that.

As Marx himself said, you can't reach socialism without first going through capitalism. Marxists don't listen to Marx.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Cred]

Yes you are correct in saying that it was a mistake "skippig" the capitalism stage of development like they tried in the udssr. A ton of contemporary Marxist-Leninists agree with you. There is no one approach to ML. It is very flexible. The approach of Mao was very different from that of the udssr for example.

I'm personally also a revisionist in that I'm saying capitalism has to do its thing in some areas for a while but in a controlled way. I encourage you do research the approach of Deng Xiaoping.

If you look at China, they are very capitalist and they have a shit ton of inequality. They are also enormously wealthy. Also they crush the capitalism game. Like they have whole cities organized around production to make it super efficient.

Very crucially though, the party is very involved in the market and in these companies and makes sure they actually serve the people and not the capitalists. Notably they are more involved in ,or own most of essential industries like housing, healthcare, food, etc. Chinese people have insanely high home ownership and have affordable healthcare.

In China, there are billionaires but they are kept in check. They executed like 14 of them in the last I don't know the time frame for corruption. The billionaires are scared shitless of the ccp. And this is a good thing. Compare that to the US where the billionaires get their dick sucked by the politicians. You really think the US is better off than China?  

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[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Cred said:

In China, there are billionaires but they are kept in check. They executed like 14 of them in the last I don't know the time frame. They are scared shitless of the ccp. And this is a good thing. Compare that to the US where the billionaires get their dick sucked by the politicians. You really think the US is better off than China?

China does some things rights. However, I am not envious of the Chinese system. I would rather live in America, even if I wasn't already successful.

Authoritarian crackdown on billionaires is not exactly a good thing. It might feel good to you, but it isn't a healthy or fair system. It's a corrupt system. These billionaires are shaken down and bullied by the communist regime.

America would be a better system if we just outlawed any corporate money in politics.

It is not so complicated to create a few laws that eliminate billionaire influence of elections. I like this solution better than switching to Marxism, which is very impractical.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[Cred]

I also think that execution is a pretty extreme measure, however the fuck do I know about the best way to govern China.

China is in many regards not as authoritarian as you think. For example a lot of the notions of a social credit system or some shit are inventions by people in the west.

Capitalists in the west constantly make shit up to fuck with China like there is zero evidence about a uyghur genocide, every muslim majority country agrees with that.

They are very cautious about western influence. But if you knew how the US destabilizes and initiates coups in the countries of their enemies, you would understand. When any country opens themselves up for western information, they are also opening themselves up for western misinformation.

Edited 1 hour ago by Cred