the biggest flaw in the nonduality teachings

[No1Here2c]

 

[Ziran]

2 hours ago, No1Here2c said:

What does the term essence attempt to point toward?

Each and every "thing" possesses 3 qualities:

• Essence
• Being
• Existence 

Existence is its physical manifestation.  Being is it's function, "what it's doing".  Essence is the absolute minimum, smallest, simplest example of it.

 

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, No1Here2c said:

high enough dose of anything will let you meet your maker.

Maybe some weak minds will believe that.whot those high doses, but this doesn't means. That it's the truth 

Edited 5 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Mellowmarsh]

6 hours ago, No1Here2c said:

But what is Awareness?

What is that Pure Aliveness?

What is Consciousness itself?

It’s difficult to say what without using more words, that then becomes even more difficult to discern because words are not what words point to. And yet paradoxically words inform the whole narrative to itself of what the self is attempting to understand.

Ultimately though, reality doesn’t relinquish its origins, it’s a mute indifferent silent indivisible metaphysical phenomenon that no word can really capture…..except in its artificial conception of itself. A conception that never really happened.

My gut senses that energy is something that must have always existed and that there was never a beginning nor end to this energy.

The subatomic particles and chemical bonds in your cells are constantly borrowing energy from the environment to keep you alive. Everything that’s the environment originally came from the Sun. Your body converts this into a cellular energy currency called ATP(Adenosine Triphosphate) which is the primary energy currency of all living cells. These cells are constantly dying and being replaced endlessly. 
 

Basically there’s no beginning or ending to the process that makes you the configuration that is you. You’re just a finite never to be repeated patten, one of an infinite, one that has and will always have a limited life span, it’s appearance and ultimately disappearance is due to the law of thermodynamics and entropy.

However, while all living organisms decay or pass away, the energy is released back into the environment as heat and absorbed by other living systems, continuing a continuous cosmic loop with no beginning or ending.

 

This cosmic looping process is discernible by the very proof of aware existence itself. In a nut shell nothing is living or dying except the conception which is synthetically constructed by the brain . 
 

That’s how I personally vision this, anyway.

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

The subatomic particles and chemical bonds in your cells are constantly borrowing energy from the environment to keep you alive. Everything that’s the environment originally came from the Sun. Your body converts this into a cellular energy currency called ATP(Adenosine Triphosphate) which is the primary energy currency of all living cells. These cells are constantly dying and being replaced endlessly.

We really know nothing or very few about the deep physics of the universe.

Where does energy come from? What is a particle? Supposedly, a local excitation in a field of reality that has energy. What is a field of reality? Why does the cosmic void have constant fluctuation? Why are the laws of the universe precise and seemingly immutable? Is it possible for energy to appear from nothing? Although, as far as we know, nothingness doesn't exist, there is always virtually infinite fluctuation. Is a big bang a fluctuation of the void?

Last theories affirm that the energy of the universe is zero, because gravity would be negative energy, and that everything that exists is a mathematical equation that happens because it's possible. Lets say that we are like in the time of Galileo but with more information. Maybe Galileo had the 0,0000001 and us the 0,00001, to say anything 

[Mellowmarsh]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

You will be still conscious of yourself in deep meditation, high dose of psychedelics of anything that you could do, it's not the same than being dead. 

Birth and death are exactly the same identical phenomenal reality, they just differ, alternate, in appearance that’s all.
Two sides of the same coin. Can’t have one without the other. 
 

There’s nothing being conscious of itself in the absolute infinite sense, there’s only being conscious of other, in the relative finite sense.

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

We really know nothing or very few about the deep physics of the universe.

Where does energy come from? What is a particle? Supposedly, a local excitation in a field of reality that has energy. What is a field of reality? Why does the cosmic void have constant fluctuation? Why are the laws of the universe precise and seemingly immutable? Is it possible for energy to appear from nothing? Although, as far as we know, nothingness doesn't exist, there is always virtually infinite fluctuation. Is a big bang a fluctuation of the void?

Last theories affirm that the energy of the universe is zero, because gravity would be negative energy, and that everything that exists is a mathematical equation that happens because it's possible. Lets say that we are like in the time of Galileo but with more information. Maybe Galileo had the 0,0000001 and us the 0,00001, to say anything 

I agree nothing knows itself.

 

Thats why knowledge known is likened to a dream. 

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Birth and death are exactly the same identical phenomenal reality

Well, are different. You could kill life easily but you can't create it. Birth is the beginning of a process that self preserves and perpetuates. Death is just dissolution. 

Death is very simple, birth is incredible complicated. 

[Breakingthewall]

5 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

I agree nothing knows itself.

 

Thats why knowledge known is likened to a dream. 

Who knows where the intelligence that the universe creates will arrive. If it's possible to arrive from an atom to a brain, maybe it's possible to arrive from a brain to a god. In the materialistic sense. An evolutive being that encompasses all the universe.

Doing some scifi, a mix between life an ia that spreads for the galaxies using the energy of the matter creating an intelligent net that encompasses all the universe to revert entropy and transcend this dimension. It's not impossible 

Edited 3 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Mellowmarsh]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Well, are different. You could kill life easily but you can't create it. Birth is the beginning of a process that self preserves and perpetuates. Death is just dissolution. 

Death is very simple, birth is incredible complicated. 

Well I guess that which appears simple can seem complicated, and that which appears complicated can seem simple, well that’s how I see it, anyway.

[Mellowmarsh]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Who knows where the intelligence that the universe creates will arrive. If it's possible to arrive from an atom to a brain, maybe it's possible to arrive from a brain to a god. In the materialistic sense. An evolutive being that encompasses all the universe.

Doing some scifi, a mix between life an ia that spreads for the galaxies using the energy of the matter creating an intelligent net that encompasses all the universe to revert entropy transcend this dimension. It's not impossible 

No matter which way you slice this, it always defaults to the same not-knowing knowing. Or, the only thing I know is that I know nothing.

Thats why it’s likened to a dream. The dream is known to be real only in the sense of being aware the dream occurred within your awareness inseparable from it.

You know you are aware, but everything else can only be known as a dream within that awareness which cannot be known because it’s infinite. The finite is never aware of the infinite. The infinite can be aware of the finite. The distinction is this not-knowing knowing.

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

No matter which way you slice this, it always defaults to the same not-knowing knowing. Or, the only thing I know is that I know nothing.

Thats why it’s likened to a dream. The dream is known to be real only in the sense of being aware the dream occurred within your awareness inseparable from it.

You know you are aware, but everything else can only be known as a dream within that awareness which cannot be known because it’s infinite. The finite is never aware of the infinite. The infinite can be aware of the finite. The distinction is this not-knowing knowing.

We could know that we are, or that reality is. We can't know the infinity, but maybe it's possible to understand the structure of the reality. You don't need to know everything, just how reality happens. Lets wait a millennia of scientific evolution, then who knows.  

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Well I guess that which appears simple can seem complicated, and that which appears complicated can seem simple, well that’s how I see it, anyway.

It took 4 billion years of evolution to create a brain, trillions of generations of living beings competing, killing each other, and fighting to survive. To destroy it, a single stone is enough.