the biggest flaw in the nonduality teachings

[No1Here2c]

5 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Nonduality maybe the absolute truth, but we are relative beings that must live relative lives, which involves a healthy ego. 

Healthy ego is a rare commodity on planet earth. Look around and you shall see.

Look inside, and you may not recognize that it is the exact same war torn scene as our external world.

Survival drives brutality, indifference, violence, and all forms of things we best leave unexplicated.

Our Human realm is worse than the African Savannah.

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[No1Here2c]

As above so below

And vice versa

Ultimately, survival is a vicious game. 

Savagery at its root.

Do you think the dinosaurs cared about any of this?

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[Mellowmarsh]

12 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Start attacking your cat every morning and see how much it 'loves' you then.

These are relative forms of love you speak of. Conditional. Dependent.

Double standards is ego's middle name,

When you eat a bacon slice and your body uptakes and assimilates its energy into yours, that is Being as Absolute Love. Has very little to do with your emotion about it.

The pig who was slaughtered has God's eye looking through it. This is not a bias or ideal of mine. This is Consciousness.

I cannot make claims about what degree of immediate present awareness the pig has. Or whether the pig feels emotion or pain. But the pig is consciousness, the bacon is consciousness, your enjoyment of the taste is consciousness, your guilt is consciousness.

There is nothing that is not consciousness.

Okay, I understand all that, thank you for explaining it like that, it’s something I can resonate with.

 

I guess my cats are just loving me because I feed them, and yes, if I didn’t feed them they would probably leave home to find another home. 
You’re right about attacking them too, they would soon show me aggression back at me, they too deserve to defend themselves. I wish I wasn’t so attached to things like my animals and my family and children, knowing they don’t belong to me. Attachment is such a painful thing when all I’m doing here is just watching everything I love die, it’s so hard to let go and surrender, but I’m getting better at it everyday.

[No1Here2c]

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Do you think the dinosaurs cared about any of this?

Not a second thought.

Dinosaur says "im hungry: rip & shred"

Survival needs no english to function. For the dinosaur this is instinct. This is like what humans call intuition. We modern day apes are so disconnected from true survival because we play all of these wicked stupid games.

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[Mellowmarsh]

7 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Healthy ego is a rare commodity on planet earth. Look around and you shall see.

Look inside, and you may not recognize that it is the exact same war torn scene as our external world.

Survival drives brutality, indifference, violence, and all forms of things we best leave unexplicated.

Our Human realm is worse than the African Savannah.

Yes it certainly looks that way doesn’t it. It’s depressing, sometimes I just can’t bear it. I just want to disappear and never have to live on earth ever again.

[Mellowmarsh]

49 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Do not confuse this with your pitiful emotions

Maybe my trying to sometimes control the narrative is what makes me so pitiful. I know it’s not up to me who is walking to even direct my step. But somehow I always feel like I’m being carried through life, I remember that there’s something bigger than myself who is the real controller, and my gut always trust that higher power.

[No1Here2c]

42 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Yes it certainly looks that way doesn’t it. It’s depressing, sometimes I just can’t bear it. I just want to disappear and never have to live on earth ever again.

Earth here is as a marina.

Your body is as a vessel.

You utilize the body to move around within the marina of planet earth.

but what most don't recognize,

Is the body too is only as a port for conscious awareness.

consciousness is not restricted by the limitations of the body or the mind. 

Conscious awareness can venture outside of three dimensional space, and conscious awareness can go beyond time itself, as it is understood, by us limited creatures.

we take for granted that we think we know everything about how reality works. We simply do not.

Burn me at the stake. I dont give two fux. 

Or take my words for what it is, a direct pointer towards the truth of existence.

Of course these are a pointer and a model. The meanings themselves are not the Truth.

Rigid logic will never touch the core of understanding existence as a finite human being. You must be able to think in abstraction and Imagine. This is due to the nature of existence, being as literal Imagination itself.

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[Mellowmarsh]

@No1Here2c I’m agreeing with everything you are saying… I enjoy reading your worldview on these matters from your perspective there. Your pov’s are quite fascinating tbh. Appreciate you being here to share with others. 

[No1Here2c]

21 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Maybe my trying to sometimes control the narrative is what makes me so pitiful. I know it’s not up to me who is walking to even direct my step. But somehow I always feel like I’m being carried through life, I remember that there’s something bigger than myself who is the real controller, and my gut always trust that higher power.

Careful with trust out here. Easy way to wind up dead. Earthly realm is based upon deception, illusion, traps, weapons, tricks, & more of the like. you will get killed fast with trust.

What happens to the beautiful fish down in the Mariana Trench who trusts the glow of that pretty light?  

Lets just say some ugly things can lurk unseen. Wicked teeth are out to get you.

Trying to control the narrative is only natural for ego. Nothing pitiful about that. This is how you survive.

 

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[No1Here2c]

We live in the abyssal zones.

[No1Here2c]

16 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

@No1Here2c I’m agreeing with everything you are saying… I enjoy reading your worldview on these matters from your perspective there. Your pov’s are quite fascinating tbh. Appreciate you being here to share with others. 

Don't agree with me in regard to these matters. Prove these things for yourself, without the need for external agreement.

I could be out to hunt & get you.

The words themselves are not Truth.

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[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, No1Here2c said:

The notion of your cat 'loving you unconditionally' is another gross abstraction created from human perspective based upon finite emotion & experiences.

If your cat had a psychotic break and began to lauch violent strategic militaristic operations on you would you still believe that it loves you unconditionally?

I really appreciate this because I can see truth in it. 
 

Really wish I wasn’t so damn gullible and naive about this nature stuff. I guess I’m infatuated with the idea of reciprocal love, when I know deep down it is unattainable and impossible to find here on earth. Fact is, we’re born alone, live alone, and die alone. Thanks for the support on this matter.

Thing is I’m consciously choosing celibacy and solitude right now because it keeps me alert, well balanced, and sane, in a messed up world.

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[Mellowmarsh]

19 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Don't agree with me in regard to these matters. Prove these things for yourself, without the need for external agreement.

I could be out to hunt & get you.

The words themselves are not Truth.

I’m just saying, I can read what you are saying. I hear the words, I’m not caring much about the messenger, just the message is resonating with me that’s all. Same applies to Leo I hear him too, that’s why I chose to participate on his forum. I have no agenda here but to listen to people’s ideas, and make up my own mind about what I’m hearing, and whether it rings true or not. All views are just the same love expression appearing as different words to the same idea, I guess. 
 

 

[No1Here2c]

10 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Really wish I wasn’t so damn gullible and naive about this nature stuff. I guess I’m infatuated with the idea of reciprocal love, when I know deep down it is untrainable and impossible to find here on earth. Fact is, we’re born alone, live alone, and die alone. Thanks for the support on this matter.

Thing is I’m consciously choosing celibacy and solitude right now because it keeps me alert, well balanced, and sane, in a messed up world.

Naivety is overcome via awareness of danger. This includes all forms of traps, deceptions, lures, hooks, lies, incongruencies, tricks, pitfalls, stagnations, weapons & illusions.

As you say, we are relative beings. We survive relatively in a world of relativity. We must understand how to navigate as such.

🚢⚓️ 

As a vessel, drop an anchor within the sea of yourself, not externally. Eventually, if you let the anchor fall for long enough, you may hit some sort of bottom or internal ground. And if not, you will still have some sort & degree of stabilizing force to hold you in place amidst the storm.

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[Mellowmarsh]

@No1Here2c yes, thanks, I concur.

Im doing okay because I chose to love, not hate. 

[No1Here2c]

7 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

@No1Here2c yes, thanks, I concur.

Im doing okay because I chose to love, not hate. 

Love all. Including any hate which may arise. It is there for a reason.

That is not to say as modern human we should let our hate run rampant. I seek to minimize internal discordance and suffering, and not to bring it into external reality.

Simply recognize when negative emotions arise, they often have specific survival functions, and this you should love. This is how you are still here communicating.

Without some degree of the negative emotions which act as clockwork escarpment mechanisms inside of you, you probably wouldnt have survived this long.

This is a gift. Love it to death.

Do not utilize it to cause harm or damage without permission or great reason. Humans have the capacities to be more conscious than to act as purely savage beasts. Some of the time.

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[Mellowmarsh]

34 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

We live in the abyssal zones.

You would know more than I do, because you’ve taken psychedelics or LSD..etc…. You’ve tripped to God knows where. And good for you.

 

Aywashca retreats sound fun too. But I’m too scared to imbibe any mind altering drugs, I wish I could have experienced this stuff, but I’ve lived a sheltered life tbh. Raising kids was always my priority, and I needed to stay sober.

[No1Here2c]

7 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

You would know more than I do, because you’ve taken psychedelics or LSD..etc…. You’ve tripped to God knows where. And good for you.

Aywashca retreats sound fun too. But I’m too scared to imbibe any mind altering drugs, I wish I could have experienced this stuff, but I’ve lived a sheltered life tbh. Raising kids was always my priority, and I needed to stay sober.

Do not assume I've taken anything of the like. My words here may not be a direct reflection of my personal life experience.

I could be trying to trick you or hunt you down.

Furthermore, do not assume I know more than anybody on planet earth. I personally believe, given proper adequate conditions, that the human body, composed of expressed genetic code, has the answers embedded; hidden inside.

This is just a belief of mine. Useful for me.

In actuality, it is a matter of consciousness to grasp these things.

Belief may be a useful tool in the beginning, but it must be discarded upon deeper ventures.

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[Mellowmarsh]

7 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Do not assume I've taken anything of the like. My words here may not be a direct reflection of my personal life experience.

I could be trying to trick you or hunt you down.

Furthermore, do not assume I know more than anybody on planet earth. I personally believe, given proper adequate conditions, that the human body composed of expressed genetic code has the answers embedded, hidden inside.

This is just a belief of mine. Useful for me.

Okay, I get it. I just assumed you’d already experienced LSD when you suggested people to smoke it.

 

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[No1Here2c]

The problem is taking these transcriptions, and translating them personally into your direct, immediate conscious experience. We all have different backgrounds, psychological make ups, genetics, and an whole list of infinite variables, all which play into the work. It is highly personal. Your understanding of it will be expressed differently than mine. Hence why there is always so much disagreement on our forum here. The map will look different for each & every individual, regardless of the terrain.

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