Is taking children to church a form of child abuse?

[Monster Energy]

4 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Monster Energy please don't make any more character judgements.

Stick to arguing points.

 

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[Monster Energy]

55 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

Broaden your definition. Can you define religion?

By religion I mean belief in the supernatural or a god, often with rituals and worship.

 

[Hatfort]

3 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

Like I said, you don’t understand deep things. I know exactly what you meant, so stop twisting it. And you have not shown why my arguments are wrong, you just say they are wrong. You sound like this: ‘Why is the Bible true? Because it is true!’ Do you see how stupid that sounds? And somehow you’ve made religious people seem more thoughtful than you, which should be impossible, because your arguments and responses are worse than the Bible and I use the Bible as toilet paper. If you respond with something cringe again, then our conversation is over.

I understand things better than you, you don't even understand the meaning of words, basic communication. Then you twist other people's comments, saying they what say or mean, which they have not, so stop that too.

Your biggest flaw in this discussion is the expanded meaning of abuse. Parents deciding on a certain education for their children may be good or not, and there may be better ways, but is not abuse. Which brings us to the second flaw in your approach? What's your alternative? Kidnap the kids from all religious parents? Forbid religions? I can agree to a certain degree that religious upbringing has flaws, but that's not abuse, and I put value in the freedom of parents to raise their children as they think is best in society, all within reason of course, as long as there is not abuse or neglect, in which case I think it's fine we act as society and protect children.

[Human Mint]

1 hour ago, Monster Energy said:

For example, if a parent says school is important and the child asks why, and the parent replies that it is important for a good life, I think that can be wrong if it shuts down further questioning.

Yeah, exactly. And notice that a curious child will always try to understand. It's adults that kill that.

Forcing someone against their will is generally bad. Parenting is really more about guidance than forcing. Guidance is a broader concept. 

 

[Monster Energy]

2 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

I understand things better than you, you don't even understand the meaning of words, basic communication. Then you twist other people's comments, saying they what say or mean, which they have not, so stop that too.

Your biggest flaw in this discussion is the expanded meaning of abuse. Parents deciding on a certain education for their children may be good or not, and there may be better ways, but is not abuse. Which brings us to the second flaw in your approach? What's your alternative? Kidnap the kids from all religious parents? Forbid religions? I can agree to a certain degree that religious upbringing has flaws, but that's not abuse, and I put value in the freedom of parents to raise their children as they think is best in society, all within reason of course, as long as there is not abuse or neglect, in which case I think it's fine we act as society and protect children.

Let’s start over, I have said that it is wrong not to allow children to question things they learn from others, it is not wrong that children go to church or to a Buddhist temple, but it must be questioned, and in churches, I hope you know what a church is, there is over 80 percent discouragement of questioning their beliefs, please try to understand what I’m saying, you say so much but still very little wisdom comes out of you.

 

[Monster Energy]

6 minutes ago, Human Mint said:

Yeah, exactly. And notice that a curious child will always try to understand. It's adults that kill that.

Forcing someone against their will is generally bad. Parenting is really more about guidance than forcing. Guidance is a broader concept. 

 

Spot on

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Hatfort do you think one can abuse another by having power over them? 

Or do you disregard this based on age of consent (which is a made up rule by society)? 

I personally think your definition of abuse is too narrow. While @Monster Energy energy may define abuse under a larger umbrella of acts, the truth is somewhere in between.