Russell Brand In Hot Water

[Leo Gura]

I don't see this as a con.

People change. Like Elon Musk changed hard after Covid. So did Rogan.

People can backslide. That's not a con.

Edited 9 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, Willy Phallicus said:

True but that doesn't mean they should deny how cheaply and easily they were conned.

Well you can’t con a con.

[Willy Phallicus]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't see this as a con.

People change. Like Elon Musk changed hard after Covid. So did Rogan.

People can backslide. That's not a con.

I guess there's a huge world of difference between being a "world class bullshit artist" and a conman.

He's a public figure/talking head that has made a living peddling agendas and narratives (with lots of ads for you to buy stuff) which have coincidentally paid him extremely well.  The guys had his grift on for years.  Maybe he's not a conman in the strictest sense of the word but come on.  He was selling people what they wanted to hear and they bought it and repackaged it - all while having some very naughty skeletons in his closet.

The mea culpa is a little late for me but people are free to make up their own minds.

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

I guess there's a huge world of difference between being a "world class bullshit artist" and a conman.

There certainly is.

Bullshitting is not con artistry.

Edited 8 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Willy Phallicus]

Yeah I guess you're right.  The guy wasn't selling fake rolex's out of a trench coat at the train station, he was just selling a version of himself that didn't exist. 

[gengar]

12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You can be Green and still a rapist. No contradiction there.

You have to stop assuming that Green means are you a saint. Green people are still corrupt and evil as everyone else.

Green does not mean you are a good person or not a criminal.

Or just realize that the spiral dynamics model is far more limited than you previously assumed.

[Leo Gura]

17 minutes ago, gengar said:

Or just realize that the spiral dynamics model is far more limited than you previously assumed.

It is exactly as limited as I said it is.

Russell Brand is not some anomaly that breaks SD.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[gengar]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is exactly as limited as I said it is.

Russell Brand is not some anomaly that breaks SD.

I didn't say he breaks it completely, I just think you use it far more liberally(not only in this particular case) than it can be used for. SD is highly accurate when it comes to collective memetics but on an individual level things are much more nebulous and inaccurate. there exists a much wider and intertwined palate of psychological complexes and pathologies on an individual level than on a collective level where things are simpler, especially in modern society.

[Mellowmarsh]

5 hours ago, Willy Phallicus said:

The mea culpa is a little late for me but people are free to make up their own minds.

He’s been doing the pulling down his trousers and pants ( literally) in real-time for the last 20 years. It was his classic signature skit that he performed in plain sight and nobody blinked an eyelid, no one thought this behaviour was inappropriate, in fact people would just roar with laughter. I guess he was good for business.

 

The pulling down his trousers and pants skit started on the British TV show Big Brother over 20 years ago.

Anyways, aside from the clown antics performer, people are still responsible for their inappropriate actions. And therefore should be held accountable when the behaviour is hurting other people.