Gurus and their flaws being exposed

[Olaf]

The problem with gurus is not what they teach per say. It is the whole culture of people bowing down to another human. The culture puts the guru on the pedestal when he is human, maybe more conscious, but still just human. Its like saying, I am more intelligent so now bow down to me. What happens is that we put people before God, we bow down to people and people are never ever, not even Jesus, perfect. We are and will always be NOT God, we might be connected to consciousness, infinity, be one with God, but that does not mean that everything a guru says should be taken as facts. There are allot of flaws in every teaching, there are allot of mistakes in every Guru, even in Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, you name it. To put any individual on a pedestal makes us have this dreamy idea of our own potential. The idea that we could be God like, when we are human and should embrace the flaws that come naturally with being human. I don't even think every spiritual teacher wants to be put on a pedestal, but more then not it happens and when that guru makes a mistake everyone is suprised. HAHAHAHA Look at the pope, if the pope does something off its all over the news. The only difference between you and the pope is that he prays more or spends more time reading the bible. Maybe he even is in a more meditative state, but even then, he is not NEARLY, not even 0.0001% like God, God is everything, everyone, unity, infinity, consciousness, therefor a human could only access that, as its the source, but it can never CLAIM to be THAT. You cannot claim to have the same powers and same understanding about everything and everyone and the world and every other world like God has, so don't believe these clowns calling themself gurus, I used to follow them, but I learned that they are playing a game, a status game and if they stopped playing that game they would lose all their followers. You have to act HOLY and display yourself as innocent or sinless, otherwise they will ruin the reputation of the guru or popes or whatever. In that sense I like Osho the most of all gurus as atleast he was embracing more the flaws of humans instead of being weird about it, but even Osho has been put on a pedestal way too much. These are all humans, they know something about oneness, but that doesn't make you superman and it doesn't make you sinless, innocent or whatever. Your human, they are human, everyone is human, at the highest we can have a great or deep connection with God, but if you truely wanted to be one with God you would be dead. 

[Willy Phallicus]

The guru isn't the problem.  Its the people who get snowed by the guru.  

Truth has always been a solo endeavor....heh funny how that works out.

Any guru worth his salt will tell the seeker to go within and any seeker worth their weight will do exactly that.  Everything else is meaningless + or - 

Edited 11 hours ago by Willy Phallicus

[Willy Phallicus]

11 minutes ago, Olaf said:

but if you truely wanted to be one with God you would be dead. 

On his word I am already one with him.  If I want to be him then yeah, I need to exit the electro monkey suit, no way around it.

Nothing gets out of here alive.

[cetus]

There is a good story about Nisargadatta and a deciple of his. One day the deciple invited Nisargadatta to come to his home and while he was there and he shown him all the pictures he had on display of all the famous gurus he spent time with. Trying to impress Nisargadatta he asked him what he thought? Nisargadatta replied: "Take those pictures and throw them in the river".

[Brittany]

I agree.

A guru pretending to be perfect is a distraction.

But a guru being a huge imperfect mess is also a distraction. haha Sometimes a very messy, flawed, imperfect guru who acts a fool makes us want to "cancel" them entirely and throw out the baby with the bathwater.

So in the end, the message is the only thing that really matters. 

Anything that pulls you too much into the messenger, versus focusing on the message itself, can be a distraction.

[Hojo]

This is my problem with sadhguru and i guess gurus in general. They throw their theories and logic and claim not to think about it. Sadhguru especially has so much content and so many theories and contradictions that he becomes a thought process to the person studying spirituality. Its my problem, maybe should not have watched so much.