Solipsism is false

[Nemra]

17 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then the unlimited reality would be a timeline 

Well, I don't know what to say about that.

It's just actual.

17 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Also affirm that others experiences aren't real but a projection of your mind is conceptualizing 

It can be conceptualizing.

What's stopping you from conceptualizing everything?

I don't think that others are just a projection, but I can't provide an honest, deep answer about the nature of the "other" as of now.

Edited 4 hours ago by Nemra

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Nemra said:

don't think that others are just a projection, and I can't honestly answer that as of now.

30 minutes ago, Nemra said:

 

 That's what solipsism affirm. You can stop conceptualizing, then you don't think about the experience, the others or anything else. Just deep meditation. But this doesn't means that only you are, just means that you are

[Mellowmarsh]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Also affirm that others experiences aren't real but a projection of your mind is conceptualizing 

Concepts are known by the mind. The mind is never seen or known by the concept, as a concept has no mind of its own. 

The concept known mentally as a “person” is a concept of the mind. No “person” or “ concept “ known to the mind is ever minding the mind, because concepts have no mind. The only certainty is your own mind, there’s a problem with other minds for you because you are never outside your own mind to be able to tell yourself other minds exist. 

 

 

 

[Nemra]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

That's what solipsism affirm.

Some believe that God resides on the clouds and heaven is a place filled with gold.

[Mellowmarsh]

Solipsism isn’t actually an ism. It’s the placeholder for all isms. It’s the unconditional unmanifest  potential placeholder for all conditions to become manifest systems. 
At best an ism is a description not the prescription. In the same context a menu is not the food.

[Breakingthewall]

12 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

you are never outside your own mind to be able to tell yourself other minds exist. 

I couldn't say neither that don't exist 

12 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Some believe that God resides on the clouds and heaven is a place filled with gold.

Then what is your point? That you know that your experience is happening but you can't know anything else? That's coherent 

[Mellowmarsh]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I couldn't say neither that don't exist 

I couldn’t not say neither that don’t exist either. 

 

While solipsism is a modern philosophical term (derived from Latin solus "alone" and ipse "self") meaning that only one's own mind is sure to exist. 

[Nemra]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then what is your point? That you know that your experience is happening but you can't know anything else? That's coherent 

For example, is there a visual field that exists for itself outside of your visual field?

From my observation, there isn't a such thing.

Do cameras have a visual field of their own outside your visual field, even if you can watch the recorded videos, which, by the way, will appear in your visual field?

Your visual field is one and only in terms of actuality.

The above is different from saying that some things are actual and other things are potential now.

Potentiality is like when you are about to take a picture and actuality when you captured it.

And because the captured photo can only be actual, the photo itself is the only actual thing that can be as a photo.

The captured photo is an analogy of your visual field.

Edited 2 hours ago by Nemra

[Mellowmarsh]

3 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Do cameras have a visual field of their own outside your visual field, even if you can watch the recorded videos, which, by the way, will appear in your visual field?

Your visual field is one and only in terms of actuality.

Well said.

 The physical eye is likened to a camera. The visual field  can only capture the image of the camera, not the visual field. The image of the camera is not in the camera, the image of the camera is in the imageless visual field which is one without a second.

 

[Giancarlo]

22 hours ago, Zeroguy said:

God can't be deceiver so everything is real. Your mind ,other minds , Universe they all exist.

Doesn't matter how much Leo is influencing you, you have logos and you should trust yourself.

@Zeroguy Why can't God be a deceiver? Where in the universe does it say he can't deceive?

[Nemra]

@Mellowmarsh

[Mellowmarsh]

@Nemra LoL 😂 

 

 

[Toranvor]

22 minutes ago, Giancarlo said:

@Zeroguy Why can't God be a deceiver? Where in the universe does it say he can't deceive?

Who is he going to deceive but himself? Can he be deceived if he's all-knowing?

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Nemra said:

For example, is there a visual field that exists for itself outside of your visual field?

From my observation, there isn't a such thing.

Do cameras have a visual field of their own outside your visual field, even if you can watch the recorded videos, which, by the way, will appear in your visual field?

Your visual field is one and only in terms of actuality.

The above is different from saying that some things are actual and other things are potential now.

Potentiality is like when you are about to take a picture and actuality when you captured it.

And because the captured photo can only be actual, the photo itself is the only actual thing that can be as a photo.

From a logical perspective, id say yes, there are other visual fields. First, the act of questioning it falls within conceptual logic. Therefore, I continue using this conceptual logic and see that there are other people, that the earth is round, etc.

From a, let's say meditative perspective, that question doesn't arise, and the answer is irrelevant. There is no comparison or structure; there is only what is. I focus entirely on perceived reality without interpreting anything, and then different layers become apparent.

First, perception, sensations, then emotional currents, a certain contraction, a certain oppression that keeps me activated.

Upon perceiving it, the separation between the observer and the contraction dissolves, the contraction relaxes, perception is not from a perceiver, there is no center that perceives. "Perception" ceases to have meaning and merges with being.

The vital flow manifests ubiquitously, boundaries blur, interpretation is zero, and little by little, the essence of this emerges. The idea that "this is everything," "this is whatever," doesn't exist. Any idea has zero meaning; there is only what is. That which opens itself and is total, the contraction disappears completely, there is only openness. I am openness, absolutely alive in the sense that is. I am openess is an interpretation from the separate self, in that moment, openess is, there is no subject 

Then, there are two fields. One, the structured mind. Useful to make maps. Other, deeper, the sense of being. The sense of being can be contracted or open . "Others" or "consciousness" have no meaning, are inexistent in this level

Edited 2 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Nemra]

@Breakingthewall, ah, man, we aren't going to have effective communication.

We both think we're way more open-minded and more truthful than the other.

I'm only going to say that you're using logic unfairly, and most probably you won't agree with that.

[Nemra]

31 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

[Breakingthewall]

25 minutes ago, Nemra said:

We both think we're way more open-minded and more truthful than the other.

1 hour ago, Nemra said:

 

Why do you say that?  I just see that you are mixing two fields, the conceptual and the meditative, and I wrote to show you it. It's just my vision, if you don't share it it's ok. But I read what you said carefully and I wrote focusing myself to the maximum , explaining a experience to clarify both fields. Don't you agree in that vision?

Edited 2 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Nemra]

10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

if you don't share it it's ok.

Sure.

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Don't you agree in that vision?

I just don't agree with your logical perspective.

But it is what it is.

[Inliytened1]

The only thing that exists is this right now.  That is all that will ever exist.  There will never be anything behind the scenes.  Behind the scenes actually is behind the scenes.  Thats what it is.  If you were to actually go behind the scenes it would be actual and not behind the scenes.

[Willy Phallicus]

 "I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me."