Fuck Enlightenment

[James123]

26 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

If this were true, you wouldn't post about this topic anymore.  You'd be done with it.  The action would speak for itself.

Do you ask nose to not breath? Or ask liver not to function?

Not pasting or pasting post is attachment. When body is free and it's own, it does whatever supposed to as breathing, eating. 

That's all. 

[Mellowmarsh]

32 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

You'd be done with it. 

You cannot do what you are already doing. 

[Joseph Maynor]

4 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

You cannot do what you are already doing. 

Really?

[Mellowmarsh]

47 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Really?

Find out.

[Ziran]

9 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Nothing can’t be described. 

Nothing is routinely described... in academia.

" ... Physics to the rescue. If we dump a box of apples into a black hole, then Poof! It is gone!"

https://webhome.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/Philosophy/axioms/axioms/Null_Set.html

Edited 20 hours ago by Ziran

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Allah = Enlightenment

Its all pointing to the same thing.

[Joseph Maynor]

17 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Find out.

I'm curious if you have found out.

Edited 9 hours ago by Joseph Maynor

[Mellowmarsh]

3 hours ago, Ziran said:

Nothing is routinely described... in academia.

" ... Physics to the rescue. If we dump a box of apples into a black hole, then Poof! It is gone!"

https://webhome.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/Philosophy/axioms/axioms/Null_Set.html

Nothing describes nothing.

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I curious if you have found out.

Only you can know about that.

[Ziran]

1 hour ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Nothing describes nothing.

Yes.  It's irrelevant; because, concepts and descriptors are not "things".  

( I recommend reading the article from the Phd.  It's a really good read. )

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, Ziran said:

Physics to the rescue. If we dump a box of apples into a black hole, then Poof! It is gone!"

Information never disappears, it transforms. Perhaps it no longer resembles a box of apples, but it reconfigures the mass and structure of the black hole.

What the box of apples is at a quantum level, all the stable interactions between fields that create that shape become the black hole, or the radiation it emits. Then the reality that constituted the box is not lost, but the specific way in which it was organized is.

Edited 15 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Mellowmarsh]

8 hours ago, Ziran said:

Yes.  It's irrelevant; because, concepts and descriptors are not "things".  

They are things, they’re things known in this conception.

Nothing can be described without making nothing something. It’s the linguistic paradox.

 

While “things” are apparently known in this conception, that which is known ie: (“ things”) know nothing. 

[Ziran]

4 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

It’s the linguistic paradox.

... because "empty" is an illusion.  Once this is known and understood the word "nothing" is reinterpreted more accurately and the word-play ends.

[Ziran]

13 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Information never disappears, it transforms. Perhaps it no longer resembles a box of apples, but it reconfigures the mass and structure of the black hole.

What the box of apples is at a quantum level, all the stable interactions between fields that create that shape become the black hole, or the radiation it emits. Then the reality that constituted the box is not lost, but the specific way in which it was organized is.

When you refer to "information", I understand that as a collection of resonating and harmonious relationships.  If so, I agree, however, that does not prohibit the phenomenon of apples becoming "nothing" when proximal to a blackhole.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Ziran said:

When you refer to "information", I understand that as a collection of resonating and harmonious relationships.  If so, I agree, however, that does not prohibit the phenomenon of apples becoming "nothing" when proximal to a blackhole.

20 hours ago, Ziran said:

 

According to physics, any local system is composed of energy (the capacity to produce change) and information (structure, the relationship between states that makes that event what it is). Energy is neither created nor destroyed in our universe; it is transformed. Information is also never lost; it changes, but the new structure derives from the previous one.

An apple and a black hole are not fundamentally separate; they are two structures that occur within the same global system (the universe), different interactions of the same fields.

When the apple crosses the event horizon, its energy and information merge with that of the black hole, but it never disappears. From a broad perspective, it is simply a flow of energy and information. The black hole is not "nothing", it conserves all the energy and information that anything that falls in it.