So what exactly is God?

[No1Here2c]

Or maybe its all just deception?

[No1Here2c]

What is Truth?

[Cornelia Watford]

13 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Yes. But what is that?

Is the experiencer a body?

Is the experiencer a brain?

We would say rather that the experiencer is what experiences those things. The experiencer makes the body and the brain real in the awareness of them.

A body and brain are centralized.

The experiencer is not centralized in any way. It is free flowing. It is all encompassing.

Ego distortion creates the sense of a center.

Ultimately, the uncentralized observer imagines itself to have a center. Awareness currently imagines even just the idea of centers existing.

Now imagine a universe which had no decernable center. Centers are simply not possible in this universe.

What would that appear as?

How can we be sure that reality is not a riddle?

I am aware that I am aware.

I am aware of colors, I am aware of sounds.

I am not directly aware of a definitive point inside of the human from which all of it emanates.

In attempts to prove that you are separate & distinct from this conscious awareness, you are hooking yourself with a barb, deeper & deeper into the presently apparent conscious experience, which is apparently unified & Inseparable.

It would take some true mindfuckery for you to be sitting in another plane entirely yet somehow be interacting with mine.

And in even so saying the previous I am imagining a subtlety gross distinction.

You sound like you’re trying to sound wise for the sake of being wise. You don’t sound genuinely curious about how reality works. 

[Human Mint]

1 hour ago, Cornelia Watford said:

The universe isn’t conscious.

But it is.

[Cornelia Watford]

1 minute ago, Human Mint said:

But it is.

The universe doesn’t even exist as a thing. Beings exist. The universe is emergent between them. We are the consciousnesses powering the universe. Maybe you could compare my definition of “the universe” to “the internet”. It’s just a collection of connections. It isn’t itself a conscious thing. It’s the connection between conscious things. 

[No1Here2c]

10 minutes ago, Cornelia Watford said:

You sound like you’re trying to sound wise for the sake of being wise. You don’t sound genuinely curious about how reality works. 

I am open to various ideas of how reality could potentially work.

I am asking some questions, providing the clearest insight I can.

Asking questions is often a function of curiosity, no?

From this perspective, you are the only lacking curiosity. You are very rigidly claiming this is how it is and it cannot be otherwise. For example:

38 minutes ago, Cornelia Watford said:

Reality isn’t a riddle. You know you’re a center of awareness. It’s self evident. You are the experiencer of the experience. Ego is an emergent construct used to interact. But the center itself is simply the awareness of anything at all. The only thing I could possibly need to prove to you is that I’m not an extension of you. And that’s inevitable given enough time.

"This is how it is it cannot be otherwise"

– @Cornelia Watford

Edited 4 hours ago by No1Here2c

[Human Mint]

2 minutes ago, Cornelia Watford said:

The universe doesn’t even exist as a thing. Beings exist. The universe is emergent between them. We are the consciousnesses powering the universe. Maybe you could compare my definition of “the universe” to “the internet”. It’s just a collection of connections. It isn’t itself a conscious thing. It’s the connection between conscious things. 

You are precisely operating under the materialist paradigm. You job is to go meta and see that. And to be more open to some of the claims made here which are more true than your paradigm. You need to avoid being stuck in your paradigm and being open to not knowing.

[Cornelia Watford]

6 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

I am open to various ideas of how reality could potentially work.

I am asking some questions, providing the clearest insight I can.

Asking questions is often a function of curiosity, no?

From this perspective, you are the only lacking curiosity. You are very rigidly claiming this is how it is and it cannot be otherwise. For example:

"This is how it is it cannot be otherwise"

– @Cornelia Watford

I apologize. From my perspective, it feels like you’re not taking any of this seriously.

[Cornelia Watford]

1 minute ago, Human Mint said:

You are precisely operating under the materialist paradigm. You job is to go meta and see that. And to be more open to some of the claims made here which are more true than your paradigm. You need to avoid being stuck in your paradigm and being open to not knowing.

My perspective is the opposite of the materialist paradigm. Beings are the only things that truly exist. Consciousness is fundamental. 

[No1Here2c]

3 minutes ago, Cornelia Watford said:

I apologize. From my perspective, it feels like you’re not taking any of this seriously.

I am seriously considering and there are very plausible ideas you have.

Scary convincing ideas.

I could almost buy in myself to them.

11 minutes ago, Cornelia Watford said:

The universe doesn’t even exist as a thing. Beings exist. The universe is emergent between them. We are the consciousnesses powering the universe. Maybe you could compare my definition of “the universe” to “the internet”. It’s just a collection of connections. It isn’t itself a conscious thing. It’s the connection between conscious things. 

This feel very plausible. This is all mostly occuring within the intellect. 

You must dismount symbols to truly get a grasp on what this mysterious consciousness may be.

The longer you remain in the symbols speculating, the higher the risk you will never make it out.

Edited 4 hours ago by No1Here2c

[No1Here2c]

@Cornelia Watford

Its like you've got it but your misinterpreting something

I can tell in what you write that you have a grasp. But I think you are getting caught up somewhere in the mind, projecting further distinctions to retain your own sense of self. Perfect union is a lot to handle.

Edited 4 hours ago by No1Here2c

[Cornelia Watford]

2 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

I am seriously considering and there are very plausible ideas you have.

Scary convincing ideas.

I could almost buy in myself to them.

This feel very plausible. This is all mostly occuring within the intellect. 

You must dismount symbols to truly get a grasp on what this mysterious consciousness is.

The longer you remain in the symbols speculating, the higher the risk you will never make it out.

The thing is it came from my experience of nirvikalpa samadhi. This is me verbalizing the experience. This wasn’t intellectual. Sharing it with you is intellectual. But the insights themselves are self evident fundamental truths that are available to you equally. 
 

I’ve spent 7 years putting the experience into words. They’re not ideas I have. It’s just my attempt to point at the truth I found. And I want to share it because I genuinely think it’s important to remember we are all real beings. 

[Human Mint]

1 minute ago, Cornelia Watford said:

My perspective is the opposite of the materialist paradigm. Beings are the only things that truly exist. Consciousness is fundamental. 

It is materialism underneath. Trust me it is very sneaky. 

And consciousness being fundamental means that the Universe is conscious and alive, which you deny. But to see that you need to realize the illusion of the human mind. Only if you want to. But it is an illusion, I'm sorry.

[No1Here2c]

The human mind loves to splash about in the muddy water. 

It does this mistakenly believing that in so doing it will make the mud clear out of it. 

Only in stillness does the muddled water settle. Splashing about silly wont do you any good.

[No1Here2c]

6 minutes ago, Cornelia Watford said:

real beings. 

Just the idea of "real beings" is itself an imaginative projection of the human mind.

Mind of which itself is Imagined by God!

Edited 4 hours ago by No1Here2c

[Cornelia Watford]

I think the issue we are having, is you’re looking at it from a self help perspective. And I’m looking at it from a scientific perspective. I want to understand the structure of reality, not transcend it. I like it here on earth, and I would like to help improve conditions.
 

We have different goals. Sorry for the mismatch.

Edited 4 hours ago by Cornelia Watford

[Eskilon]

The space between two farts, that's what God is!

[Jirh]

Originally, the word God pointed to a supernatural power or being beyond the ordinary human knowledge and experience.