So what exactly is God?

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, No1Here2c said:

Lots of muddling language being utilized here.

Reads as the mental gymnastics of denial.

It's totally clear, read again. Maybe the redaction not so, I should use the translator 

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, No1Here2c said:

We assume God is "the will"

An immediate limitation being placed. God is lost before you even begin.

Then what supposedly is god? Because if you say that god is the reality, of course, it's impossible to refute. But when we say god we imply creator, will, omnipotence, omniscience, etc 

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Omnipotence to God is simply all of this you see right here.

The only god that is is the absence of limits, and you are that. That god simply is, but being is everything. The form is just form, the essence is always the same, what has no bottom, what is total, you. But I wouldn't call it god. 

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, No1Here2c said:

That is good,

Why call it anything?

Would not the placement of a limited label already diminish the nature of it?

Because god is a creator. When anyone say god it means the creator of the reality, the dreamer of the dream, the big Boss 

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

What the hell is God?

God is no control, no will, no choice, no knowing. Then it's not god, it's just the dance of creation and destruction, the eternal movement, but over all, the total openess that is, the unlimited, exactly you. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

Here is where all the wannabe Leo Guras Meet to spill BS. 

[Cornelia Watford]

1 hour ago, No1Here2c said:

Let's assume so.

The math does math here

Can you prove the universe not be conscious?

What does it mean to be conscious?

Here are words, actively read, & actively understood.

All reality is resultant of consciousness. All experience is direct. Only as active awareness may experience illuminate.

Including (first & foremost) this experience right here!

All of its wrinkles, be them perceptual, or cognitive layers, is still exactly as reality is in this moment.

Reality, as presented through any of its myriad filters, remains as reality.

Reality contains all questions.

May a question contain reality?

There would be no direct experience of anything, including these words here, if the universe/god were not conscious.

To be conscious is to be a center of awareness. The universe is a collection of multiple centers of awareness. The universe isn’t conscious. We are. 

[Willy Phallicus]

Seems like a lot of god people don't really believe in the infinite or miracles.  There's a weird irony to acknowledging an Omnipotent Omniscience and then don't give it much credit - or not nearly enough.

Edited April 21 by Willy Phallicus

[Cornelia Watford]

36 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

A center of awareness?

Prove to me that awareness has a center.

You already know yourself as a center of awareness. That’s the one thing I don’t need to prove to you. The center is the active experience. You are the observer at the center.

[Cornelia Watford]

5 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

I know myself I ego identity to be the center around which all revolves. Ego loves to claim that awareness is possessed, directed, & operated via the ego.

Awareness itself lies beyond all ideas of separate awareness,

Consciousness knows itself to have zero center.

it lies even outside of need for attachment to a physical vessel.

The concept of a center is already a gross abstraction of the human mind.

Reality isn’t a riddle. You know you’re a center of awareness. It’s self evident. You are the experiencer of the experience. Ego is an emergent construct used to interact. But the center itself is simply the awareness of anything at all. The only thing I could possibly need to prove to you is that I’m not an extension of you. And that’s inevitable given enough time.

Edited April 21 by Cornelia Watford

[Cornelia Watford]

13 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Yes. But what is that?

Is the experiencer a body?

Is the experiencer a brain?

We would say rather that the experiencer is what experiences those things. The experiencer makes the body and the brain real in the awareness of them.

A body and brain are centralized.

The experiencer is not centralized in any way. It is free flowing. It is all encompassing.

Ego distortion creates the sense of a center.

Ultimately, the uncentralized observer imagines itself to have a center. Awareness currently imagines even just the idea of centers existing.

Now imagine a universe which had no decernable center. Centers are simply not possible in this universe.

What would that appear as?

How can we be sure that reality is not a riddle?

I am aware that I am aware.

I am aware of colors, I am aware of sounds.

I am not directly aware of a definitive point inside of the human from which all of it emanates.

In attempts to prove that you are separate & distinct from this conscious awareness, you are hooking yourself with a barb, deeper & deeper into the presently apparent conscious experience, which is apparently unified & Inseparable.

It would take some true mindfuckery for you to be sitting in another plane entirely yet somehow be interacting with mine.

And in even so saying the previous I am imagining a subtlety gross distinction.

You sound like you’re trying to sound wise for the sake of being wise. You don’t sound genuinely curious about how reality works. 

[Human Mint]

1 hour ago, Cornelia Watford said:

The universe isn’t conscious.

But it is.

[Cornelia Watford]

1 minute ago, Human Mint said:

But it is.

The universe doesn’t even exist as a thing. Beings exist. The universe is emergent between them. We are the consciousnesses powering the universe. Maybe you could compare my definition of “the universe” to “the internet”. It’s just a collection of connections. It isn’t itself a conscious thing. It’s the connection between conscious things. 

[Human Mint]

2 minutes ago, Cornelia Watford said:

The universe doesn’t even exist as a thing. Beings exist. The universe is emergent between them. We are the consciousnesses powering the universe. Maybe you could compare my definition of “the universe” to “the internet”. It’s just a collection of connections. It isn’t itself a conscious thing. It’s the connection between conscious things. 

You are precisely operating under the materialist paradigm. You job is to go meta and see that. And to be more open to some of the claims made here which are more true than your paradigm. You need to avoid being stuck in your paradigm and being open to not knowing.

[Cornelia Watford]

6 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

I am open to various ideas of how reality could potentially work.

I am asking some questions, providing the clearest insight I can.

Asking questions is often a function of curiosity, no?

From this perspective, you are the only lacking curiosity. You are very rigidly claiming this is how it is and it cannot be otherwise. For example:

"This is how it is it cannot be otherwise"

– @Cornelia Watford

I apologize. From my perspective, it feels like you’re not taking any of this seriously.

[Cornelia Watford]

1 minute ago, Human Mint said:

You are precisely operating under the materialist paradigm. You job is to go meta and see that. And to be more open to some of the claims made here which are more true than your paradigm. You need to avoid being stuck in your paradigm and being open to not knowing.

My perspective is the opposite of the materialist paradigm. Beings are the only things that truly exist. Consciousness is fundamental. 

[Cornelia Watford]

2 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

I am seriously considering and there are very plausible ideas you have.

Scary convincing ideas.

I could almost buy in myself to them.

This feel very plausible. This is all mostly occuring within the intellect. 

You must dismount symbols to truly get a grasp on what this mysterious consciousness is.

The longer you remain in the symbols speculating, the higher the risk you will never make it out.

The thing is it came from my experience of nirvikalpa samadhi. This is me verbalizing the experience. This wasn’t intellectual. Sharing it with you is intellectual. But the insights themselves are self evident fundamental truths that are available to you equally. 
 

I’ve spent 7 years putting the experience into words. They’re not ideas I have. It’s just my attempt to point at the truth I found. And I want to share it because I genuinely think it’s important to remember we are all real beings. 

[Human Mint]

1 minute ago, Cornelia Watford said:

My perspective is the opposite of the materialist paradigm. Beings are the only things that truly exist. Consciousness is fundamental. 

It is materialism underneath. Trust me it is very sneaky. 

And consciousness being fundamental means that the Universe is conscious and alive, which you deny. But to see that you need to realize the illusion of the human mind. Only if you want to. But it is an illusion, I'm sorry.

[Cornelia Watford]

I think the issue we are having, is you’re looking at it from a self help perspective. And I’m looking at it from a scientific perspective. I want to understand the structure of reality, not transcend it. I like it here on earth, and I would like to help improve conditions.
 

We have different goals. Sorry for the mismatch.

Edited April 21 by Cornelia Watford

[Eskilon]

The space between two farts, that's what God is!