Solipsism extreme

[TruthFreedom]

I've gotten to the point where other people's posts on forums or social media pretty much mean nothing to me, because I know that my direct experience is all there is. I have stopped imagining other people in their houses, because they don't exist. I also see words just as shapes on a screen sometimes. Leo, you have truly deconstructed my mind, and it's not a bad thing, because you were always just trying to get to the Truth. But it's funny, because I am diagnosed with Schizophrenia, and when you deconstruct your mind so thoroughly you realise that all mental illness is the subjective opinion of a psychiatrist. 

[Willy Phallicus]

Welcome to the Kingdom.

[TruthFreedom]

Now I understand Anthony Kiedis when he sang: "it's hard to believe that there's nobody out there, it's hard to believe that I'm all alone"

[TruthFreedom]

@Willy Phallicus thankyou

[Willy Phallicus]

Just now, TruthFreedom said:

it's hard to believe that I'm all alone 

That's the big cockblock being reflected back to you.

But yeah, its just you.  That's it.

[Carl-Richard]

Just don't hurt anybody or yourself. But also question whether you "believing" there are no other people is necessarily something true. As for the palpable effects, you might just be destroying your ability to think and imagine things outside your current experience. It might not reflect anything true about reality. Because even if you were able to perceive reality "as if" it is not solipsistic, this wouldn't have to change whether or not solipsism is true or false. Again, it might just reflect your own lack or state of functioning.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, TruthFreedom said:

I've gotten to the point where other people's posts on forums or social media pretty much mean nothing to me, because I know that my direct experience is all there is.

Even Peter Ralston has made a lot of meaning for himself. Nihilism is not IT.

[Someone here]

 

4 hours ago, TruthFreedom said:

I've gotten to the point where other people's posts on forums or social media pretty much mean nothing to me, because I know that my direct experience is all there is. I have stopped imagining other people in their houses, because they don't exist. I also see words just as shapes on a screen sometimes. Leo, you have truly deconstructed my mind, and it's not a bad thing, because you were always just trying to get to the Truth. But it's funny, because I am diagnosed with Schizophrenia, and when you deconstruct your mind so thoroughly you realise that all mental illness is the subjective opinion of a psychiatrist. 

you stopped imagining people in houses but you still imagine people on the internet in different parts of the planet? 
you’ve got work to do . You are not fully awake .

Edited 16 hours ago by Someone here

[Mellowmarsh]

9 hours ago, TruthFreedom said:

I've gotten to the point where other people's posts on forums or social media pretty much mean nothing to me, because I know that my direct experience is all there is

From the perspective of the one here posting as >TruthFreedom….There’s nothing else happening. 

You are absolutely correct. 

 

 

[Michal__]

A psychiatrist would diagnose the Buddha as a schizophrenic. Don't worry about it!

Edited 5 hours ago by Michal__

[Cornelia Watford]

I feel like people like solipsism because there are no consequences. If you acknowledge other people are genuinely separate sources, you acknowledge everything you do does in fact affect other beings. This isn’t your private dream. And it means you don’t have a simple answer that you can play around with like a riddle. You have to take life seriously.

Edited 4 hours ago by Cornelia Watford

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, Michal__ said:

A psychiatrist would diagnose the Buddha as a schizophrenic. Don't worry about it!

If Buddha was not hallucinating (e.g. hearing voices) or having persecutory delusions or psychotic paranoid beliefs or exceedingly weird lines of thinking and trouble functioning in everyday situations in an appropriate way according to the surrounding society, I doubt that. Being awake is not equal to schizophrenia.

Edited 2 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Michal__]

10 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

If Buddha was not hallucinating (e.g. hearing voices) or having persecutory delusions or psychotic paranoid beliefs or exceedingly weird lines of thinking and trouble performing everyday tasks, I doubt that. Being awake is not schizophrenia.

They literally said one of my symptoms was doing multi day fasts.

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, Michal__ said:

They literally said one of my symptoms was doing multi day fasts.

What were your other symptoms?

[Michal__]

13 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

What were your other symptoms?

Erratic behavior like dissapearing for a day and not telling my parents where I was (I was actually tripping on LSD).

I've had hallucinations but they had no knowledge of that, so it's irrelevant for the diagnosis. They also wrote nothing such like having hallucinations in the report.

Imagine I told them I literally put my hand through a wall on acid (which I may or may not have done, it was in the dark so my depth perception might have been just altered).

Other was just my parents telling them I thought I had siddhis (I used to be pretty open about the fact I have some since my parents are spiritual too and know that this is real).

Basically, according to the symptoms they know of I should not have a diagnosis.

Old, original Buddhism (according to the Vimmutimagga and Visudhimagga) was full of things like mind reading etc. And specificially the kasina practices they all have done is basically just a safe way to develop meaningful hallucinations mixed with high concentration. All these people would end up in psychiatrist "care" today.

Edited 1 hour ago by Michal__

[Carl-Richard]

@Michal__ What happened afterwards? Have you been to the psychiatric hospital since that?

[Michal__]

Just now, Carl-Richard said:

@Michal__ What happened afterwards? Have you been to the psychiatric hospital since that?

I was commited for five months. I've been out for about 8 months.

[Carl-Richard]

37 minutes ago, Michal__ said:

And specificially the kasina practices they all have done is basically just a safe way to develop meaningful hallucinations mixed with high concentration. All these people would end up in psychiatrist "care" today.

My understanding is you end up in a psychiatric care if you act inappropriately (unless somebody somehow forced you to go there when you were not acting inappropriately). And you get a schizophrenia diagnosis if you meet enough criteria for the diagnosis. I don't know the practices or standards of care in your country or whether your parents did it out of spite or simply missplaced concern so I can't comment on that. Nevertheless, the core point is awakening does not mean you meet the diagnostic criteria for schizophrenia.

Edited 1 hour ago by Carl-Richard

[Carl-Richard]

1 minute ago, Michal__ said:

I was commited for five months. I've been out for about 8 months.

On what grounds were you free to leave after five months?

[Cornelia Watford]

2 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

My understanding is you end up in a psychiatric care if you act inappropriately (unless somebody literally forced you to go there when you were not acting inappropriately). And you get a schizophrenia diagnosis if you meet enough criteria for the diagnosis. I don't know the practices or standards of care in your country or whether your parents did it out of spite or simply missplaced concern so I can't comment on that. Nevertheless, the core point is awakening does not mean you meet the diagnostic criteria for schizophrenia.

You’re correct. It’s their relationship with their perspective. If it affects them negatively, it becomes a mental illness. If it gives you anxiety, if it makes you bypass emotions, volatile behavior with other people, you will get a diagnosis.