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Hasson_Miah

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Context - I went to speakers corner this week on a day trip to London. My friend encouraged me to speak to a Muslim speaker, because he himself watches him and vouched for him I decided to do so. At first I was hesitant I didn't have anything I wanted to ask him from the heart. I spoke about this with my friend and I told him I am not afraid to look stupid, that's when I decided to put this statement to the speaker.

 

'' I left Islam can you convince me to come back ''. It was recorded and I've submitted the video below. 

If anyone has 40 minutes to watch and debunk points from either side this is what I am looking for from you. 

https://youtu.be/26O2fk7h1YY?si=AmBgWAlrYg0Y_VPs

 

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Religion won't get you to God. To find God you have to find God within yourself. It takes time if you are not spiritually gifted and can be a long arduous process unless you use psychedelics or some other aid. 


You are a selfless LACK OF APPEARANCE, that CONSTRUCTS AN APPEARANCE. But that appearance can disappear and reappear and we call that change, we call it time, we call it space, we call it distance, we call distinctness, we call it other. But notice...this appearance, is a SELF. A SELF IS A CONSTRUCTION!!! 

So if you want to know the TRUTH OF THE CONSTRUCTION. Just deconstruct the construction!!!! No point in playing these mind games!!! No point in creating needless complexity!!! The truth of what you are is a BLANK!!!! A selfless awareness....then that means there is NO OTHER, and everything you have ever perceived was JUST AN APPEARANCE, A MIRAGE, AN ILLUSION, IMAGINARY. 

Everything that appears....appears out of a lack of appearance/void/no-thing, non-sense (can't be sensed because there is nothing to sense). That is what you are, and what arises...is made of that. So nonexistence, arises/creates existence. And thus everything is solved.

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Seems interesting but honestly, I'm lazy to listen 40 min. Maybe you could write here the main points that he exposed 

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Even if all the claims and thesis of the host are true, it wouldn't have nothing to do with islam, or the existence of God. it's just running in circles. so what if if God is necessary and not contingent? so what if it is coherent? 

and the method he told you to find Allah, by simply setting there and asking him to guide you, is just there's so much wrong with it. 

and the guy who gave you the food example is hilarious lol, he pissed me off with his completely unrelated analogy that's offensive and biased as fuck. 

anyway, logic will never lead to being religious, that's why the whole time y'all agreed to disagree, especially with the mental gymnastics that host is doing. belief is what leads to religion (or indoctrination). 

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