is DeGrasse´s method upside-down?

[Mixcoatl]

Neil DeGrasse: “We have to objectify science by removing the bias of human senses and human experience.”
Also Neil DeGrasse: “We haven’t been able to understand what consciousness is.”

I have the intuition that you will never understand consciousness if you take it away from the equation.

[kavaris]

Yeah absolutely. Everyone needs *self, or *experience, in order to experience anything thereafter, so its entangled w/ everything. But either way we cannot understand consciousness, for the word itself does not point to anything.

Ergo the search for "a truth within what being conscious is" is itself a question around "what reality is", for everything is experience...

That is, you cannot take away experience, you cannot take away biases, nor can you take away reality, for they are all words that point to something else that is without words for it. In the attempt to do Science that way, it would be the attempt to misunderstand reality. But this is true from the perspective of investigating consciousness as well, for it too, it does not point or lead to anything, unless you yourself have an experience that redefines and reincapsulates the meaning of "consciousness & reality"~as it would pertain to reality as a whole.

[Mixcoatl]

46 minutes ago, kavaris said:

it does not point or lead to anything, unless you yourself have an experience that redefines and reincapsulates the meaning of "consciousness & reality"~as it would pertain to reality as a whole.

A few yrs ago I came to the logical conclusion that there cannot exist anything that is unknown by a consciousness. Later, I confirmed this with experience and psychedelics but there are things that I'm not yet aware of. actualized.org are always mentioning that consciousness = nothing. I haven't realized that thing yet but I also don't want to blindly believe it. 

Rupert Spira says something like: "Consciousness is sneaky and impossible to grasp." Probably one have to accept first that it is impossible to understand these kind of things.

[kavaris]

@MixcoatlTheres a ladder of truth that you walk from that point, you know... (Even after youve taken psychedelics, it still followes this sequence as its like the Egyptian Thoth laying down the chronological steps):  It goes like Rupert Spira~and this sortve like, sitting w/ the idea of like "What am i, Am infinite, what is reality, what is consciousness, et caetera..." Then you sortve go through a dark period after that, cause thats sortve the perspective of where things dont really take shape/form so much, but rather they exist as being itself.  And then somewhere after, surviving that darkness it settles into a place that makes better sense, cause its no longer framing it from a question around reality, but rather, you are to become the *participant in the question, which doesnt imply "being" so much that implies you defining "being" actively, not to mention defining everything else thereafter (alas,. theres a moral play~or synergy between creation and your own being and experience, and it leads to a place of appreciation for lots of things, history, religion, etc., assuming you get to this creation place, which surely most people do i believe, i dont know. as its not like its entirely *non-obvious, its just unusual from the standpoint of "what is consciousness"... if you see what i mean. Note to self (NTS): Its actually kindve freaky, cause history reflects the internal world sequence)

Edited 1 hour ago by kavaris

[Leo Gura]

Ass-backwards.

Neil DeGrAss-backwards.