On True Religion, Actualized.Org & Ken Wilber

[CARDOZZO]

In his book "A Sociable God: Toward a New Understanding of Religion", Wilber talks about distinct forms of spirituality and religion. 

What he proposes is a fundamental distinction between:

• Legitimacy (Horizontal): This refers to how well a religion integrates an individual into the existing social order. It provides meaning, stability, and "social glue." Most mainstream religion functions here, helping people feel comfortable in their current state of development.
• Authenticity (Vertical): This refers to the degree of actual transformation or "consciousness shift" a religion facilitates. An authentic religion pushes the individual to transcend their current level of ego or social conditioning toward higher states of being.

What do you think about this shift in perspective? Are you fundamentally triggered by religion? How can we practice vertical religion without falling for dogma, stigma and beliefs?  

[Someone here]

1 hour ago, CARDOZZO said:

How can we practice vertical religion without falling for dogma, stigma and beliefs?  
 

oxymoron.can’t work. religion is a set of spiritual beliefs. 

[CARDOZZO]

34 minutes ago, Someone here said:

oxymoron.can’t work. religion is a set of spiritual beliefs. 

How could we reinvent religion?

Innovation is not just about business, science and technology,

[CARDOZZO]

Bryan Johnson is building his own religion (Don't Die). 

[Eskilon]

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

religion is a set of spiritual beliefs. 

That's false religion. A example of true religion would be Tantra, which is just a set of techniques to realize your true nature.

No "cosmology" as Ralston suckups would say it lmao.

[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

How could we reinvent religion?

Innovation is not just about business, science and technology,

We basically did . Religion started off as primitive methods of raising consciousness and promoting good values through rituals and sermons and worship. we now have way more advanced techniques than that .

[CARDOZZO]

Transpersonal sociology is one of the main aspects of Actualized.Org

[UnbornTao]

Amen!

[saif2]

One way that works is by exploring different religons. Most religons have esoteric forms and there are like communities that practice the vertical growth you mentioned. I joined multiple communities in Islam and Christianity that helps in not getting stuck in the dogma and beliefs. 

There is a guy called Gurdjieff he talks a lot about what he calls Understanding which is opposed to belief. I found his work very helpful in that respect.