TransSports ~ LEO Gura Deconstruction

[Pineal]

Leo you are doing something specific here that really contradicts alot of your own framework. A major body of work you have is built on distinguishing between form and essence and the idea that surface level appearances are not the same as underlying reality. And then proceed to applying the opposite logic to gender, treating the biological form as the definitive reality and dismissing the inner experience as ego confusion. Not every Trans thinks they are a woman. I don't. I can tell I was born a man. I do it for the feeling produced by estrogen and progesterone(stopped bicalutamide)and a multitude of other factors too much to get into. I am very high-consciousness with my analysis of myself(try to be). We all take chemicals for self care or even to "be happy".

The dog analogy is particularly weak. A dog also does not do kriya yoga, practice fire kasina, map its own neuropharmacology, or pursue enlightenment. The argument that animals do not struggle with self-image is not evidence that human self-image concerns are invalid and it is evidence that humans are categorically different from animals in ways you yourself have built an entire career arguing.

The deeper contradiction is this. I have Hashimoto's thyroiditis (you as well?). My thyroid has been producing insufficient active hormone for years. Insufficient T3 affects mood, cognition, sense of self, emotional regulation, and psychological stability in documented and measurable ways. I also have narcolepsy type 1 which is a condition where my brain's primary arousal and identity-anchoring neurotransmitter system was destroyed by my own immune system. I took hormones and felt more myself. By your logic that is ego. By basic endocrinology that is my body finally having the chemical substrate it needed to function.

I rationalized nothing(well I did to a certain extent). I ran the data and followed it to the correct conclusion. Like you do with everything else.

Leo keep the framework. I'll keep the results.  His chemicals are consciousness work. Yours are corruption of stage Green.

 

As a man everyone calls me Kravitz. I'm attractive. I can look like an alien and be hot. Or a crocodile 😭😂

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Proof: Trans Sports Debate Is About Discomfort With Trans Women, Not Fairness. Okay?

 

Premise 1: If the debate is about competitive fairness, the same scrutiny must apply in both directions of transition. Lol.

 

Premise 2: FTM athletes on testosterone therapy competing in women's categories have elevated testosterone compared to cisgender women, producing measurable advantages in muscle mass, power output, and red blood cell production. Standard testosterone therapy produces levels of 400-700 ng/dL. Cisgender women's natural range is 15-70 ng/dL. That is a documented 10x advantage over competitors in the same category.

 

Premise 3: The policy debate generates near-zero urgency about FTM athletes in women's categories despite the documented advantage in Premise 2.

 

Premise 4: The same debate generates significant urgency about MTF athletes in women's categories.

 

Premise 5: The rebuttal "FTM athletes don't dominate men's sports" assumes FTM athletes compete against men, which is not universally true and is not the relevant comparison. The relevant comparison is FTM athletes versus cisgender women in the same category. When a FTM athlete stays in women's sports, the 10x testosterone advantage documented in Premise 2 applies directly to her competitors. The magnitude asymmetry argument collapses entirely when the correct comparison is made.

 

Premise 6: The regulation assumption is that FTM testosterone is controlled and monitored and is not supported by data. The majority of trans people self-administer hormones outside clinical supervision with no monitoring, testing, or dose standardization. Sports testing only monitors athletes institutions are already watching. Institutions are watching trans women. Testosterone levels at the exact moment of competition cannot be assumed without testing at that exact moment.

 

Conclusion: If the debate were about fairness, Premises 2, 3, 5, and 6 would generate equal urgency to Premise 4. They do not. Therefore the debate is not primarily about fairness.

 

Corollary: The asymmetry is explained by a single variable of discomfort specifically with trans women winning. Remove that variable and the policy logic collapses.

 

Stay with me here.lolll🤣

 

There are no cisgender men competing in women's categories. The premise of "men invading women's sports" has never described a real population. It describes a conflation.

 

The argument exists because the debate conflates trans women with cisgender men. This is the transphobia embedded in the policy logic. It treats trans women as men in disguise rather than as a distinct population with a specific hormonal and physiological profile that varies by transition timeline, hormone levels, and individual response. A trans woman five years post-transition on estrogen is not physiologically equivalent to a cisgender man. Treating them as identical is not biology. It is bias.

 

The real question gets buried under "men are invading women's sports." Which was never what was happening. The actual population under debate is small, hormonally distinct, and individually variable. Policy built on a false premise produces unfair outcomes in every direction.The correct question is: how do we create fair competition for a small population of athletes with complex, individually variable physiology? The answer is not a blanket ban based on birth sex. It is individual hormone-based eligibility standards applied consistently regardless of transition direction. The same standard for FTM athletes on testosterone competing in women's categories as for MTF athletes. Consistent. Directionally neutral. Falsifiable. Fair.

 

 

 

Look. I see tons of transmen right lol 

 

 

1. The only rebuttal is "we would investigate FTM athletes who win too." But they do not. The investigation is triggered by visibility not by results. If a FTM athlete with 10x testosterone wins nobody investigates because nobody clocked her as trans. They look Lgbtqia+ more than anything. Gender non-conforming. 

 

2. The policy is a conformity enforcement mechanism disguised as a fairness mechanism. You cannot rebut that without admitting it. Endorsing of hallucinations.  

 

3. That video is bullshit and mainstream garbage. Most trans women actually pass as female and get ENT surgery and sound like ciswomen. This is propaganda garbage. A super rare case. Literally sounds like a fucking guy. I was horrified when I looked at the video. It was disgusting. Little to no fucking effort. That is the poster for Transgender.  In the real world transwomen literally i am telling you if you spoke to a dedicated or one who operated on first principles you'd never know they were trans to begin with unless they told you or your saw their genitals... even then, vaginoplasty + ENT + FFS(NOT EVEN NEEDED FOR MOST). Biased reporting. Chondrolaryngoplasty and glottoplasty and vaginoplasty with HRT.  No one would know. 

 

3.1]Caster Semenya was born with naturally elevated testosterone. Cisgender woman. Banned from competing as a woman because her biology did not conform to what "biological female" was assumed to mean. 

 

3.2]The debate cannot define "biologically female" in a way that includes all cisgender women and excludes all trans women without also excluding some intersex people. The binary is not biological fact. It is a social construct being enforced through policy and called science.

 

4. What about intersex individuals? Why not see MtF the same as intersex? Who is to interpret what you are "Biologically". Your BIAS! 

 

5. Leo Gura takes chemicals to treat his Hashimoto's. I take hormones to treat mine AND to produce the neurological and endocrine environment MY body functions best in. Both are endocrinology. Both are chemicals. Both are self-care. His are acceptable. Mine are ego and selfishness and self-deception🤣 The only difference is the cultural discomfort with what mine produce visually. That is his argument reduced to its actual foundation. Not a strawman 

Edited Saturday at 08:30 PM by Pineal
Reduction

[Ulax]

9 minutes ago, Pineal said:

Female to male transgender athletes on testosterone therapy would have significantly elevated testosterone levels compared to cisgender women. If they compete in women's categories they have a meaningful physiological advantage in strength and power sports. Yet the policy debate almost exclusively focuses on male to female athletes.

The asymmetry reveals that the debate is not really about competitive fairness. It is about discomfort with trans women specifically. If it were purely about fairness the FTM question would receive equal attention. It does not.

Actually think about it. With trans politics you only focus on Penis'. The research goes much deeper if you are willing to look.

 

Its an asymmetry because female to male atheletes don't have a massive advantage over cisgender dudes. Contrast that with the male to female atheletes and cisgender women

[Hojo]

Are you a man? 

'Not every Trans thinks they are a woman. I don't. I can tell I was born a man.I do it for the feeling produced by estrogen'

Then you arent trans your a man taking estrogen.

It feels like you are taking 'trans' to equate 'hormones'

Trans is  metaphysical. hormones are physical.

 

Edited Saturday at 08:54 PM by Hojo

[Pineal]

57 minutes ago, Hojo said:

Are you a man? 

'Not every Trans thinks they are a woman. I don't. I can tell I was born a man.I do it for the feeling produced by estrogen'

Then you arent trans your a man taking estrogen.

It feels like you are taking 'trans' to equate 'hormones'

Trans is  metaphysical. hormones are physical.

 

I am intersex. The mind likes to hallucinate meta narratives. Transgender is a hallucination of the mind.

Edited Saturday at 09:50 PM by Pineal

[Ramasta9]

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I've met men in the past who dress like women and "rock it" and are beautiful, but most of these modern people are severely mentally ill, cutting their body parts off, taking drugs to change their nature, not realizing they are going against nature / god because their bodies are poisoned from artificial things / food and minds have become corrupted by harmful technology and bad programming. The more damaged the system, the more susceptible to bad programming.

There is a weapon of mass confusion that has targeted these poor individuals, and mental illness is only the start of their issues, its a side-effect to something deeper. I've met people who did extensive fasting and detox and no longer have gender confusion and homosexual thoughts or urges. Often its heavy metal & parasitical related, as with most illness today.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:25 AM by Ramasta9

[Elliott]

Sportsball is some people's entire identity, it's why black people shouldn't be allowed in white peoples leagues, this is just high conscious reality. Sportsball is metaphysical, divine, and an expression of God: a pillar of human evolution.

This would be like allowing Asians to play in white chess tournaments: utter depravity. Could you imagine the pandoras box this could open, we must compartmentalize the world into two neat boxes for sacred Sportsball.

Edited Sunday at 04:46 PM by Elliott

[Elliott]

The forum derides science as dogma and then uses data on hormones to categorize people into penis and vagina to play ping pong against each other, while less than 1% of the population has even been tested for hormones.

Maybe Professor Jiang has a video on this, lol. 

Edited Sunday at 06:16 PM by Elliott

[Hojo]

@ElliottImagine every man decided they wanted to be a woman. All the basketball players from mens league went into womans league. They dominated womens league and then womans league became trans womens league. Now biological woman have to make their own league again and now we have trans woman league, womans league, and mens league. Why not just make a trans womans league to begin with?

It seems anti woman.

 

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[kavaris]

On 3/21/2026 at 2:28 PM, Pineal said:

I rationalized nothing(well I did to a certain extent). I ran the data and followed it to the correct conclusion. Like you do with everything else.

Whats your conclusion? Ya left a cliffhanger here, and i wasnt sure where the first point went. That is, you processed it, and you ran the data... You followed it to the correct conclusion. What was your summary/conclusion there, as i felt you were on the right path and then it went onto a diff topic? I see some of your minor points were resolved, but you dont have (or are missing, as its hard to decipher) a broader conclusion.

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[Elliott]

10 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@ElliottImagine every man decided they wanted to be a woman. All the basketball players from mens league went into womans league. They dominated womens league and then womans league became trans womens league. Now biological woman have to make their own league again and now we have trans woman league, womans league, and mens league. Why not just make a trans womans league to begin with?

It seems anti woman.

 

I think sports leagues are pretty dumb to begin with. I'm okay with XX XY sports divisions by the way, but to go on ad nauseam about "reality, right and wrong" is just stoopid, it's just an arbitrary decision.

80% of NBA is black, should black people be banned back to the negro leagues so it's fair for white people?

The sensible thing would be coed sports with divisions of teams based on the teams performance, like how high school sports divides teams.

[Hojo]

@Elliott 80% of NBA is black, should black people be banned back to the negro leagues so it's fair for white people?

No because then you need a white league a black league an chinese league, a korean league a japanese league, a half japanese half white league, a half chinese half black league.

Are there white people in top nba? Yes and japanese people. But black people really love basketball. The same reason you dont see many black people in hockey, white people love hockey. Could a black person love hockey and do well in the NHL? Yes but they want to be basketball players.

Co ed sports is just retarded, they would just play the men and the woman would sit on the sidelines. Its why womans sports was created in the first place.

Sports leagues are there to see the best players play against eachother. When people watch sports they want to see peak human performance thats why the leagues exist and why there is so much money around it.

If I watch e ports I dont want a woman on the team if they suck it would ruing the experience. They would get bullied if they are participating in a sport and it looks like they are a detriment to the team and all of a sudden now we have to watch sports and cant make any comments on the players because some are getting bullied.

If we just did co ed sports the team with the less woman on the team would be the best teams. And eventually it would just go back to just men because men are stronger and faster than woman and taller.

Its about competition. It has already been determined by history and biology and the leagues have already been defined by this.

To go into all these semantics because some men want to be seen as a woman is a joke and extremely laughable.

Just make a trans league and you can do co ed there cause they are already mixed. Make a coed league filled with trans people there you go. We can have mens with men, womans with woman, and co ed with trans people.

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[Elliott]

6 minutes ago, Hojo said:

 

Co ed sports is just retarded, they would just play the men and the woman would sit on the sidelines. Its why womans sports was created in the first place.

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Does every man play in the NBA? No men sit on the sidelines?

That's why I said to have divisions based on the teams competitiveness, like we have in high school.

Edited 6 hours ago by Elliott

[Hojo]

@ElliottThen the result is the exact same as it is now. So what are you arguing for changing? Men sit on the sidelines because there are no woman on the team to sit on the sidelines.

If it was co ed and there were woman on the team they would be on the sidelines while the men played for peak competitiveness like you want.

This is also anti woman.

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[Elliott]

7 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@ElliottThen the result is the exact same as it is now. So what are you arguing for changing? Men sit on the sidelines because there are no woman on the team to sit on the sidelines.

If it was co ed and there were woman on the team they would be on the sidelines while the men played for peak competitiveness like you want.

This is also anti woman.

Again. diVisiOnS

[Hojo]

@ElliottYou say peak competeitive than say no divisions, these are counter to eachother. Men are better than woman at sports. Thats why they seperated to begin with. They are bigger and stronger. If trans dont want divisions why do the trans woman go into the womans league and not stay in the mens league?

You arguments lead to woman getting seriously injured and or killed. Woman sitting on the sidelines and eventually just not participating. Because a man wants to be a woman. Its a joke.

What about mma, You think woman and men should beat the shit out of eachother? Youd probably like Brock lesnar beating a helpless woman to a pulp.

The divisions exist to protect woman.

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[Elliott]

3 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@ElliottYou say peak competeitive than say no divisions, these are counter to eachother. Men are better than woman at sports. Thats why they seperated to begin with. They are bigger and stronger. If trans dont want divisions why do the trans woman go into the womans league and not stay in the mens league?

You arguments lead to woman getting seriously injured and or killed. Woman sitting on the sidelines and eventually just not participating. Because a man wants to be a woman. Its a joke.

What about mma, You think woman and men should beat the shit out of eachother? Youd probably like that.

DIvISionS

in u.s. we divide teams by skill

[Hojo]

@ElliottNo they are divided by men and women. The skills divides itself within these divisions.

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[Elliott]

5 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@ElliottNo they are divided by men and women. The skills divides itself within these divisions.

Yep. 

So make it coed, how would a woman fight a man that would kill her? She would fight in her skill division.

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Elliott

[Hojo]

@ElliottYou cant have co ed and at the same time have the highest competitiveness the woman would be on the sidelines?????

The men are better at the sports.

Have Co ed be the trans there you go no stupid fucking rules like you must have a woman play for at least 15 minutes. Or you must have at least 5 woman on the basketball team.

Changing the entire way sports are played because you want to be a woman is peak selfishness. Its babyrage diaper shitting logic.

Why are trans so against having a trans league?

You CANT have co ed and have peak competition. Having all male is peak competition.

People want to see peak human competition which just happens to be dominated by males.

If woman were better we would watch them.

If co ed was better we would watch that.

But its not.

Men can watch figure skating and admire the woman for being peak competitors because its a different kind of sport its solo.

Even video game leagues are males only. There has never been a woman who reached top tier with men.

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[Elliott]

37 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@ElliottYou cant have co ed and at the same time have the highest competitiveness the woman would be on the sidelines?????

The men are better at the sports.

Have Co ed be the trans there you go no stupid fucking rules like you must have a woman play for at least 15 minutes. Or you must have at least 5 woman on the basketball team.

Changing the entire way sports are played because you want to be a woman is peak selfishness. Its babyrage diaper shitting logic.

Why are trans so against having a trans league?

You CANT have co ed and have peak competition. Having all male is peak competition.

People want to see peak human competition which just happens to be male.

You have multiple divisions based on skill, a high school will have 2, 3,.... teams A,B,C,D,.... divisions however many kids girls or boys wanna play, make another division.

Would it be so horrible if any boy that wants to play football actually can? Have 2 teams at a school, a division, b division. Girls playing on B and C division coed basketball teams?

Common sense

Sports are good. Let more kids play sports even if they're not LeBron James. We need to get more boys playing sports.

Common sense

Let us white bois play some ball! WHITE BOIS MATTER! I could've been somebody! College scholarship even! A girl gets it instead because she has vaginas. DEI. I could kick that girls ass too! Why girls get special vagina basketball scholarships but white bois don't get special basketball scholarship?

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Elliott