Spirituality/Religion is death bypassing

[VeganAwake]

@CARDOZZO It's worse than that!

That which feels like survival is a bitch, isn't really there!

The body would find food/water and shelter and would survive just fine!

The self illusion is the conditioned and unsatisfied energy that suffers during survival!

[Someone here]

6 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

the body is still going to die, that sense of self is going to disappear permanently.

How is this known? 

[VeganAwake]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

How is this known? 

It wasn't there prior to birth.

It's dependent on bodily function.

It can collapse even while the body is still alive (meditation, deep sleep, awakening, brain trauma)

[Someone here]

3 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

It wasn't there prior to birth.

It's dependent on bodily function.

It can collapse even while the body is still alive (meditation, deep sleep, awakening, brain trauma)

1-What knows that there was no formed existence prior to birth ? When you wake up from sleep..how do you say " I slept well "? What knows that there was no formed existence going on during deep sleep ? 

2-the body is a piece of flesh and bones ..how can dead matter produce consciousness?  Are you aware that scientists till this day have no idea what the fuck consciousness is ? 

 

[VeganAwake]

11 minutes ago, Someone here said:

1-What knows that there was no formed existence prior to birth ? When you wake up from sleep..how do you say " I slept well "? What knows that there was no formed existence going on during deep sleep ? 

2-the body is a piece of flesh and bones ..how can dead matter produce consciousness?  Are you aware that scientists till this day have no idea what the fuck consciousness is ? 

 

The sense of self tries to grasp and know and take ownership of all understanding. 

But its not a real entity.

It's unknowing.

Nobody gets it.

[Someone here]

@VeganAwake If now isn’t a good time.. that’s okay. Can we come back to this later? It’s important to me.

you are backing off .

[VeganAwake]

21 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@VeganAwake  It’s important to me.

What is me?

What does me consist of?

[Someone here]

@VeganAwake In what right do you demand an answer from me to your question? 

First answer my questions ..since i asked first . 

[VeganAwake]

5 hours ago, Someone here said:

1-What knows that there was no formed existence prior to birth ? When you wake up from sleep..how do you say " I slept well "? What knows that there was no formed existence going on during deep sleep ? 

2-the body is a piece of flesh and bones ..how can dead matter produce consciousness?  Are you aware that scientists till this day have no idea what the fuck consciousness is ? 

 

In that sense there WAS apparent formed existence prior to your birth from your parents that birthed you and their parents to them...etc...etc....and all other biological creatures and such. 

But there's nobody in the body that knows that. It's just obvious from watching how existence survives and reproduces currently.

If the body awakens and feels refreshed, it's just obvious that it most likely slept well. 

Contrary to popular belief, there doesn't need to be a "what/who/witness/knower", for something to just be obvious.

When the "sense of self/the knower" is recognized to have never been real, there are still memories of how silly and conditioned "its" illusory belief systems actually were.

There is no more confusion about incarnation or reincarnation, heaven or hell, god or satan, good or evil,  because it's now obvious that these were just ridiculous stories created and passed down from generation to generation in an attempt to create meaning and purpose and a sense knowing and groundedness..............btw, humans are the only creatures that desperately need there to be meaning and purpose..........all other creatures just go about their days existing.

Nobody knows the origin of life and even if we did, it still wouldn't matter.

That body, this body, every body will eventually be dust in the wind. 

There is no hope which is simultaneously the freedom longed for but which is only recognized upon Samadhi or the collapse of the self illusion!

[Someone here]

55 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

In that sense there WAS apparent formed existence prior to your birth 

I don't remember anything prior to when I was 6 years old.  Let alone prior to my birth . Have you experienced directly the birth of yourself ? The moment you came into existence?  The moment you jumped out of eternal oblivion into a world ? All I remember past a certain point in childhood is like a Television's buffering. 

59 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

If the body awakens and feels refreshed, it's just obvious that it most likely slept well. 

Contrary to popular belief, there doesn't need to be a "what/who/witness/knower", for something to just be obvious.

It isn’t that there must be a little observer sitting inside your head watching everythin...it’s that “obviousness” itself implies some form of awareness .

1 hour ago, VeganAwake said:

Nobody knows the origin of life and even if we did, it still wouldn't matter.

I'm not saying what is the origin of life .I'm saying the origin of consciousness.you are a conscious being .what is the origin of consciousness ?

It doesn't matter ?yes it doesn't matter but that's a separate issue . Either answer the question or say I don't know .

1 hour ago, VeganAwake said:

That body, this body, every body will eventually be dust in the wind. 

No problem.  Or ? Life is just :wake up..go to work .. sweat ..eat ..drink.. piss ..shit ..fuck.. reproduce ..die..and then nothing ever happened ?!  

[VeganAwake]

9 hours ago, Someone here said:

I don't remember anything prior to when I was 6 years old.  Let alone prior to my birth . Have you experienced directly the birth of yourself ? The moment you came into existence?  The moment you jumped out of eternal oblivion into a world ? All I remember past a certain point in childhood is like a Television's buffering. 

It isn’t that there must be a little observer sitting inside your head watching everythin...it’s that “obviousness” itself implies some form of awareness .

I'm not saying what is the origin of life .I'm saying the origin of consciousness.you are a conscious being .what is the origin of consciousness ?

It doesn't matter ?yes it doesn't matter but that's a separate issue . Either answer the question or say I don't know .

No problem.  Or ? Life is just :wake up..go to work .. sweat ..eat ..drink.. piss ..shit ..fuck.. reproduce ..die..and then nothing ever happened ?!  

I think you may have misunderstood some of what was said/meant.

This body's first memories were also around 5 or 6 yrs old. Nothing prior!

Born from a female human being, just like every other body.

Here, the apparent experience of consciousness is just the body's conditioned imagination coupled with the senses; sight, sound, smell, taste, feel. Not all of reality or universal consciousness or something like that.

So when the body dies, it will simultaneously be the end of the experience of consciousness and or a conscious observer.