The ideological roots of the idea of 'toxic masculinity'.

[mr_engineer]

 

[mr_engineer]

 

Edited Saturday at 06:36 PM by mr_engineer

[mr_engineer]

So, the toxicity of feminism is not that recent. It's always been this bad. It's just surfacing now. 

[mr_engineer]

We do need to question the 'oppression' narrative too, that 'men are the oppressors'. If you have the courage to deconstruct this, do so. 

[mr_engineer]

This one explains false accusations. At 47:55. 

[LordFall]

On 3/7/2026 at 10:14 AM, mr_engineer said:

 

 

On 3/7/2026 at 10:37 AM, mr_engineer said:

We do need to question the 'oppression' narrative too, that 'men are the oppressors'. If you have the courage to deconstruct this, do so. 

I don't know what is your point in sharing this but I don't think you understand feminism if this is what you post about it. You can moralize the feelings of anger of some of the members of the moment but you categorize a movement fundamentally by it's aims and its accomplished goals. Every movement has some of its members that are more radical than others. Some red pillers hate women, some want to figure out their life and have never been a misogynist. Some feminists hate men and some just want equal rights. Remember that feminism is rooted in civil rights as in just human rights.

First wave feminism mostly focused on the right to vote and the right to own property. You know until 1974 women couldn't manage their own finances in the UNITED STATES without a male guarantor? 

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1974: This is the definitive year for U.S. financial equality. The Equal Credit Opportunity Act was passed, making it illegal for a bank to require a woman to have a male co-signer or to deny her an account based on her sex or marital status.

Where I agree that feminism philosophy goes array in its ideas of realities is blaming the average man for their oppression over history. Both genders have been and are oppressed and we see it until today where the most ruthless and competent of us become elites owning our money supply and some of them go as far as raping children. Some feminists agree with this characterization and some say that the average man in history has been a co conspirator and been sold a wife for his participation in the labor system and given the ability to own her and oppress her as his reward. That's a bit more nuanced and hard to prove or falsify.

To loop back to toxic masculinity there is definitely such a thing when it gets rooted in empty materialism or power through violence. The human species as a whole is looking for identity in our history and it's a quest that continues toward with us now having to fight for our place in the economic world against(with?) AI. 

[Crazy_ball]

@LordFall I think the point being made here is that there is a strong anti-male sentiment to feminism and that this is not a recent thing. They have to be dealt with accordingly. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

ITT conflating misandry with feminism.

[mr_engineer]

3 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

ITT conflating misandry with feminism.

They are one and the same. In their ideology and their actions. 

There is an anti-male fundamentalism brewing in feminist circles. 

On 3/10/2026 at 11:04 PM, mr_engineer said:

This one explains false accusations. At 47:55. 

The point of the MeToo movement is to deny due process to the accused, such that they become guilty until proven innocent. The 'feminization of law', as it's been put by Helen Andrews, makes it so the moment a woman accuses a man of anything, it is automatically the word of God. All thanks to feminism. 

On 3/7/2026 at 10:44 PM, mr_engineer said:

 

Here, she mentions how feminism has demonized male sexuality to death, which is apparent from the MeToo movement. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@mr_engineer no.

[Crazy_ball]

1 minute ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@mr_engineer no.

How misogynistic of you, to discredit what women are saying about feminism! 

[Crazy_ball]

The word 'misogynist' truly does work better than the word 'misandrist' to silence someone. Women have to be our strongest allies in battling feminism. 

[something_else]

44 minutes ago, Crazy_ball said:

The word 'misogynist' truly does work better than the word 'misandrist' to silence someone. Women have to be our strongest allies in battling feminism. 

Out of curiosity, what personal experiences are you drawing upon to create this intense dislike of feminism? Is it based on some intense negative personal experience?

[Crazy_ball]

3 minutes ago, something_else said:

Out of curiosity, what personal experiences are you drawing upon to create this intense dislike of feminism? Is it based on some intense negative personal experience?

Look, don't listen to me. Listen to the women whose podcasts I've shared. Feminism has failed them. If you disagree with them, you're a misogynist. Case closed! 

[something_else]

Just now, Crazy_ball said:

Look, don't listen to me. Listen to the women whose podcasts I've shared. Feminism has failed them. If you disagree with them, you're a misogynist. Case closed! 

I will, but I'm also quite curious about your personal reasons as well. It seems to play a very big, almost dramatic ('battle against feminism') role in your life and I'm just curious if there's a deeper reason for that and what that may be, I find it interesting

[Crazy_ball]

@something_else You're trying to psycho-analyze me because you think there's something fundamentally healthy about feminism, that 'oh, it's about women's rights, and that's it'. So, when I come along and say that feminism is a bunch of silencing-tactics (which it is), you're thinking that I'm the unhealthy one. 

My point is that as these esteemed female authors are saying, feminism is fundamentally unhealthy. So, we should psycho-analyze the feminists! 

[Crazy_ball]

Now, here's my piece on the ill-health of feminism. 

The ideology goes 'we (women) are separate from them (men), and we're the victims, they're the oppressors'. It's a fundamentally angry, bitter, separation-based ideology. It's anti-spiritual. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Crazy_ball

[mr_engineer]

It is outdated 'us vs them' nonsense, it's fundamentally unloving and it has no place in a world where men are valued and respected. It glorifies disrespectful behavior towards men. All men. 

So, when a woman says 'I'm a feminist', realize that she's had some trauma with men, which is making it so she's failing to be loving towards men. This is her failure to be loving towards men. And, treat it accordingly. 

Edited 3 hours ago by mr_engineer

[LordFall]

7 minutes ago, mr_engineer said:

It is outdated 'us vs them' nonsense, it's fundamentally unloving and it has no place in a world where men are valued and respected. It glorifies disrespectful behavior towards men. All men. 

Not at all, as I've said before you just don't understand it and have a bias. 

 

14 hours ago, Crazy_ball said:

@LordFall I think the point being made here is that there is a strong anti-male sentiment to feminism and that this is not a recent thing. They have to be dealt with accordingly. 

Yes low value men have to do better and bring value to the world otherwise they are mostly useless and will be ignored. More news at 5 pm. 

[something_else]

16 minutes ago, Crazy_ball said:

@something_else You're trying to psycho-analyze me because you think there's something fundamentally healthy about feminism, that 'oh, it's about women's rights, and that's it'. So, when I come along and say that feminism is a bunch of silencing-tactics (which it is), you're thinking that I'm the unhealthy one. 

My point is that as these esteemed female authors are saying, feminism is fundamentally unhealthy. So, we should psycho-analyze the feminists! 

I'm not saying you're unhealthy. I'm asking out of genuine curiosity. You clearly feel very strongly about feminism, and when someone has that level of anger toward an ideology it's natural to wonder what experiences led them there.

If you're arguing that feminism is a widespread and harmful ideology, that suggests it has had some concrete negative impact on your life or the lives of people around you. I'm simply interested in understanding what those impacts have been. I'm not trying to attack you, just trying to understand where you're coming from.