Real Path and Braveness

[James123]

Experiencing, achieving, being enlightened, thinking, evaluating, believing, praying, understanding, knowing is easy. 

What about surrendering the one who is attached with / to above? 

Knowing the path is experiencing the God, saying life is an illusion, saying no self, nothing is everything, etc.... 

Walking the path is surrendering all these. İncluding what I wrote above.

After experiencing, talking about Truth etc... İf you return your stories and experiences, this is knowing the path.

But, if you struggle to surrender the one, that's walking the path / internal death while body eating, eyes are seeing, mouth is talking. You struggle but if you are brave enough to kill yourself for Truth, die slow by slow. 

[VeganAwake]

Who would surrender?

What it sounds like your saying is, the real self needs to surrender the false self.

But this isn't the case!

There isn't two you's......there isn't even one you.

Both are the same self illusion.

The very word surrender implies that its real and requires surrendering.

It's not real from the start, so how could it be surrendered, and by who?

It's not an action.

It's a recognition.

But its a clear recognition that seemingly disrupts the energy used to uphold this illusory self construct.

[Ramasta9]

Ever desireless, one can see the mystery. Ever desiring, one can see the manifestations. These two spring from the same source but differ in name; this appears as darkness. Darkness within darkness. The gate to all mystery.

~ Lao Tzu

[James123]

41 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Who would surrender?

You.

42 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Both are the same self illusion.

Who believes there is such thing as illusion or not İllusion, self or no self. This exactly knowing the path.

36 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

Ever desireless, one can see the mystery. Ever desiring, one can see the manifestations. These two spring from the same source but differ in name; this appears as darkness. Darkness within darkness. The gate to all mystery.

~ Lao Tzu

Amazing 

[Mellowmarsh]

If a wave only sees its form, with its beginning and end, it will be afraid of birth and death. But if the wave sees that it is water and identifies itself with the water, then it will be emancipated from birth and death. Each wave is born and is going to die, but the water is free from birth and death.
 

Liquid Mind = Surrender: It involves moving from a state of forced, rigid control to a state of "surrender," trusting in a higher flow of life. 
 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

3 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

There isn't two you's......there isn't even one you.

In this conception there are infinite you’s.

And yet this conception is absolutely inconceivable to a conceived thing, which ultimately means nothing can know itself, because things know nothing, because ultimately, nothing knows all things. 

[Mellowmarsh]

5 hours ago, James123 said:

Walking the path is surrendering all these. İncluding what I wrote above.

 

[thierry]

5 hours ago, James123 said:

Experiencing, achieving, being enlightened, thinking, evaluating, believing, praying, understanding, knowing is easy. 

What about surrendering the one who is attached with / to above? 

Knowing the path is experiencing the God, saying life is an illusion, saying no self, nothing is everything, etc.... 

Walking the path is surrendering all these. İncluding what I wrote above.

After experiencing, talking about Truth etc... İf you return your stories and experiences, this is knowing the path.

But, if you struggle to surrender the one, that's walking the path / internal death while body eating, eyes are seeing, mouth is talking. You struggle but if you are brave enough to kill yourself for Truth, die slow by slow. 

++ for this post

[Ziran]

8 hours ago, James123 said:

Experiencing, achieving, being enlightened, thinking, evaluating, believing, praying, understanding, knowing is easy. 

What about surrendering the one who is attached with / to above? 

A point of clarification:  Prayer is surrendering when it's authentic.

Almost everything can be labeled "easy" with time, practice, and resources.

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Knowing the path is experiencing the God, saying life is an illusion, saying no self, nothing is everything, etc.... 

Knowing anything is communion with "God" ( depending on how it's defined ).

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Walking the path is surrendering all these. İncluding what I wrote above.

Walking is surrendering?  Maybe while wearing a yoke.  "Say hello to the new boss!  Same as the old boss!"

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After experiencing, talking about Truth etc... İf you return your stories and experiences, this is knowing the path.

But, if you struggle to surrender the one, that's walking the path / internal death while body eating, eyes are seeing, mouth is talking. You struggle but if you are brave enough to kill yourself for Truth, die slow by slow. 

There's as many paths as there are people.  Preaching One Truth is foolish

Edited 7 hours ago by Ziran

[James123]

1 hour ago, Ziran said:

A point of clarification:  Prayer is surrendering when it's authentic.

Almost everything can be labeled "easy" with time, practice, and resources.

Knowing anything is communion with "God" ( depending on how it's defined ).

Walking is surrendering?  Maybe while wearing a yoke.  "Say hello to the new boss!  Same as the old boss!"

There's as many paths as there are people.  Preaching One Truth is foolish

Different methods, one path. Always one.  Always.

[Ziran]

52 minutes ago, James123 said:

Different methods, one path. Always one.  Always.

Heard.

What's in-between the methods?

[James123]

33 minutes ago, Ziran said:

Heard.

What's in-between the methods?

First, ego to surrendering then surrendering to Truth. (Process of attachment to the mind, surrendering)

After that only Truth. The one was never there. (Mind is it's own, not You)

[VeganAwake]

All I was really saying was:

Here the surrendering ended up being the clear recognition that there never was anything/anybody which needed surrendering.

Allowing an energetic shift away from the conditioned thinker identification.

But it doesn't shift to another identification......it's just flickers out slowly!

Nobody left to become or not become 😉

[Breakingthewall]

The matter is difficult because it is the self that wants to let go of the self. So, instead of breaking it down, it elevates it to the status of a god, or the status of illusion. 

The true path is not conceptual, not a structure, but requires the direct observation of the contraction that constitutes you as a self, without denying it or thinking it is an illusion, since this label is just another structure.

If you observe your contraction, feel it, become one with it, at a certain point it ceases, it opens up, and in doing so, the totality is revealed. The totality is unthinkable because it is total, and the fact that the totality opens up for you does not imply that you are "enlightened," since afterward it closes and becomes an idea.

Edited 1 hour ago by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

26 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

the clear recognition that there never was anything/anybody which needed surrendering.

So you know that there is not anybody to surrender because the self was an illusion, then, as you know that, you are awake. Who? The one who knows that the self was an illusion? 

Edited 1 hour ago by Breakingthewall

[Ziran]

2 hours ago, James123 said:

First, ego to surrendering

what's in-between ego and surrendering?

a specific type of lack, which is connecting and fully assimilating

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Ziran said:

what's in-between ego and surrendering?

Suicide.

But, physical suicidal is easy, quick, running away.

Surrendering is burning alive. Completely opposite of physical suicide. Not running, jumping into fire, burning till not even ashes left.

[Ziran]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

Suicide.

What's in-between the final breaths?

It's the "path".  

[VeganAwake]

15 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

So you know that there is not anybody to surrender because the self was an illusion, then, as you know that, you are awake. Who? The one who knows that the self was an illusion? 

That's the cosmic joke!

Nobody knows it 🤷‍♂️.... it's literally recognized by nothing!

I can understand your skepticism 😅

[VeganAwake]

I mean you could call it god or consciousness or something, but it's actually nothing!!!

It's a trip and makes no sense!