The discussion in Israel during the war with Iran

[Raze]

6 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Do you have a link from another source? I prefer not to rely on Al jazeera on these issues because it tends to tell the story from a very specific side. At least to cross check it with another source. Also my phone flagged this link as unsafe.

The problem is that side is more accurate. For years you insisted the Gaza health ministry death toll was false while al jazeera reported it. Recently the IDF admitted it was reliable and actually an undercount.

[MrTruf]

6 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Do you have a link from another source? I prefer not to rely on Al jazeera on these issues because it tends to tell the story from a very specific side. At least to cross check it with another source. Also my phone flagged this link as unsafe.

You disgust me.

[Nivsch]

Israel news 🗞 April 13th

Tonight is the eve of Holocaust Remembrance Day in Israel.

Edited Monday at 09:07 PM by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

On 13.4.2026 at 10:43 PM, Raze said:

The problem is that side is more accurate. For years you insisted the Gaza health ministry death toll was false while al jazeera reported it. Recently the IDF admitted it was reliable and actually an undercount.

It can be accurate on specific facts, but still be misleading or one-sided in the way it decides to connects the dots.
That is why I prefer to cross check it with other sources.

On 13.4.2026 at 10:44 PM, MrTruf said:

You disgust me.

You can just say what is bothering you this is more effective.

Edited yesterday at 12:15 AM by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

On 12.4.2026 at 6:12 AM, integration journey said:

@Nivsch kinda a different subject but why do you think Israel keeps harassing Syria and breaking the ceasefire treaty and going inside Syrian towns to interrogate and search people?

From what I see now in other sources there were some specific cases of raids or even house to house searches, though they seem quite rare and not a general pattern. Most of the activity reported is still airstrikes or border operations.

Edited Tuesday at 12:19 PM by Nivsch

[MrTruf]

 

@Nivsch, you are a pathological liar, which, in all honesty, is most likely a byproduct of your failed culture that produces such artifacts, as well as your basic civic conditioning as an israeli. The issue is that you think you're being smooth with it, but everyone sees right through it. This dissonance is clearly beyond your comprehension, as you seem incapable of self-reflection, another well-known artifact of your culture.

It's clear to everyone here that either you are inadequate, denying basic facts, reposting random Twitter screenshots and beach pictures, recommending hot tea during bombings to calm nerves... your posts read like they’re written by someone who isn’t fully there.

Ooor you’re on a mission of narrative control. Of course, this is a Sisyphean task as it requires denying obvious realities. But we see you. You deny, deny, deny until it becomes impossible, then you move the goalposts. Rinse and repeat. The main purpose of your type is to present israelis as smart and level-headed. You are apparently unbothered that achieving this requires bending the truth to its breaking point and then breaking it some more. You simply dgf.

Case in point: a naive Syrian asks you why israel is breaking a ceasefire, entering Syria, and interrogating people. First, you pretend it is the first time you have heard about it. Then you ask for sources, only to dismiss them outright, adding vague discrediting and even saying your browser flagged them as unsafe, lol. Then you deliver your conclusion, that from what you gather, israel is indeed breaking the ceasefire, entering Syria, and interrogating people, but you frame it as insignificant because it seems rare.

-hey mr nivsh why is isreal bombing syria and terrorizing its people?
-from what i see it seems quite rare and not a general pattern and most of it is just airstrikes or border operations so your question isn’t really warranted

The real face of israel btw

 

[Nivsch]

@MrTruf Man, this is getting too personal. If you want to be respected and actually talk about the issues themselves there is a way to do that.

[MrTruf]

@Nivsch, I don’t need your respect, and I’m not interested in your keep it civil lecture. You call it too personal because you don’t like being called out. Miss me with that bullshit. This wasn’t meant to be a discussion, it was a warning. We see you.

[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, MrTruf said:

it was a warning. We see you.

Noted

Edited Tuesday at 03:07 PM by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

Israeli voices 🐦 April 14th

Edited Tuesday at 11:59 PM by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

" I’m going to tell you something that will upset you. A lot.

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1J7oSR2br8/

" No matter which political camp you belong to.

But you have to hear this, internalize it, and understand it.

Take a deep breath — this is a long post — but it’s probably the most important thing you’ll read today. I promise it will leave you with something to think about.

The greatest illness of Israeli society today is not the Iranian threat, not Likud, not Bibi, not the Military Advocate General, not the left, and not the deep state. These are just painful symptoms of the disease.

The biggest enemy of the State of Israel today — and the only one that could dismantle it from within and lead to another October 7 massacre, or to the destruction of a third temple — is:
Tribalism.

The tribalism that divides us into hostile, polarized, conflicted, fragmented groups that hate one another.

A quick scroll through my feed (and yours, I’m sure) reveals countless posts and pieces of content written in a certain style, from which the following message emerges.

“We are Camp X, and opposite us stands Camp Y.

Camp Y is traitorous / Kaplanist / leftist / Bibist / messianic / racist / fascist.
If Camp Y wins, it will be the end of the country.

Anyone associated with Camp Y is a traitor / Kaplanist / leftist / Bibist / messianic / racist / fascist —
and therefore everything they say, do, think, or predict is invalid.

Even if it’s a good idea that advances the country.

In fact, merely joining Camp Y — in any way — is betrayal.
We, Camp X, are the only camp that can save the country.

If you don’t vote for Camp X, the country will fall into the hands of traitors / Kaplanists / leftists / Bibists / messianics / racists / fascists.”

This variation repeats itself countless times on every social network where political discussion takes place in Israel. This is the essence of Israeli tribalism.

This tribalism is an autoimmune disease that Israeli society has contracted — and the disease is in an advanced stage, so advanced that urgent emergency surgery is needed to remove the cancerous tumor that is rapidly spreading.

According to the left-wing mutation of the disease, the State of Israel is held captive by messianic forces, extreme right-wingers, fascists, racists, and anti-democratic actors who seek to turn Israel into a religious, unfree, chauvinistic, authoritarian, racist, and dark state that serves Torah scholars, annexes the West Bank, leads to a bi-national state, and slides into shining international isolation.

According to the right-wing mutation of the disease, the State of Israel is threatened by progressive and deep-state forces in the form of the Military Advocate General, the Attorney General, left-wing organizations, the High Court, Brothers in Arms, Kaplanists, and various “left-in-disguise” actors trying to seize power centers.

All of these (according to the right-wing mutation) seek to weaken Israel, cause it to lose the war, topple the government at any cost to return the left to power, and turn Israel into a secular, atheist “state of all its citizens” with no Jewish identity or tradition.

(I’m intentionally exaggerating the narratives to make the point — but you get what I mean.)

Both camps are very right about certain parts (!) of their worldview.

Both camps are very wrong about other parts (!) of it.

Both camps cling dogmatically to the story they tell themselves, while developing a striking blindness to the story of the other side.

Both camps don’t trust each other at all. Zero trust. Every move by one camp is interpreted as a chess maneuver to kill the queen, or position for it in a few moves.

Both camps think in a “winner takes all — loser loses all” mindset, which leaves no room for flexibility, compromise, or decision-making.

This leads to intellectual paralysis, and to every reform or change being made by force, violence, coercion, and a lot of blood, sweat, and tears. Every small change in this country takes years, and is not made by broad agreement — but by a narrow, aggressive coalition pulling the rope by force.

Both camps barely engage with each other’s arguments, ideas, and worldviews — everything is ad hominem (“You joined the other camp? You’re a traitor, end of story”).

Both camps show very little empathy or understanding toward one another (or even try to understand each other’s fears, what keeps them up at night).

Both camps see the opposing leaders as existential threats to the state (Bennett for the right is like Bibi for the left).

Both camps clash with an intensity reminiscent of totalitarian states fighting total wars against each other (like Germany and the USSR in World War II).

These two camps are leading Israel toward the abyss, in a destructive spiral where two clumsy people kick and roll each other down the stairs until they hit the bottom.

Both camps operate well-oiled machines of poison against each other — two-sided, mutual — tearing Israeli society apart like a sword that wounds whoever tries to stab the other with it.
Tribalism is the number one enemy of Israeli society today.

Israelis tend to forget too quickly:
We live in a violent, deadly environment, surrounded by complex challenges (some strategic, some existential) that no other country in the world faces. None — check me.

Tribalism quickly devolves into polarization, division, hatred, fragmentation — and then we lose social resilience, fall asleep on guard duty, and get attacked. That’s exactly what happened in 2023.

The Middle East is a jungle. We don’t have the privilege of conducting destructive socio-political experiments like extreme tribalism, which leads to both sides breaking all the rules.

So what’s the solution? How do we get out of this destructive loop?
The same way you quit drugs:
Look reality in the eyes, stop labeling each other with absurd tags, and start truly listening.

When you put aside prejudice, hatred, and judgment, you discover:
The other side is usually more rational and logical than you think.
The other side is driven by deep pain that hasn’t been addressed (for secular people — religious coercion; for the right — a judicial system that accumulated too much power).

The other side brings ideas, arguments, and a coherent worldview that has logic, something to learn from, and even things worth implementing.

It starts with genuine listening and empathy, continues with building mutual understanding, and leads to social healing and a functioning government that works for everyone — not just its voters.

And here’s something that will really blow your mind (maybe):

Do you know the most realistic scenario for the 2026 elections?

Deadlock and repeat elections.
Then a third round — no coalition.
Then a fourth round — no coalition.
Just like the nightmare years 2019–2021.

Only this time, instead of COVID and vaccines, the background will be:
An ongoing Iranian ballistic threat, Hezbollah not defeated, Hamas rebuilding for the next massacre, Turkey arming jihadist forces, loss of governance in the Negev and Galilee, Wild West-style anarchy in parts of the West Bank, and unprecedented global opinion decline regarding Israel.

Explain to me:
How can we deal with these threats alongside endless election cycles?
How will politicians build national strategy, security doctrine, economic growth, infrastructure, recovery, policing, governance —

while running nonstop election campaigns 24/7?

Does that sound logical?
And I haven’t even mentioned the insane lag Israel is creating in the global AI race — a transformative technology that, if missed, could cost Israel a key strategic advantage.

(To make it happen, politicians must agree to invest — which requires political stability.)

This is a slippery slope that could easily lead to loss of control — and another massacre.

How do we prevent this nightmare?
Stop boycotting. Stop seeing each other as enemies. Sit down and talk until agreements are reached.
Let me be blunt:

Bibists, anti-Bibists, Smotrich supporters, Ben-Gvir supporters, Bennett supporters, Yair Golan supporters — all of you need to sit in one room and talk until smoke comes out. Lock the door if needed until agreements are reached.
That’s probably the only way out of this mess.

No matter your camp:
There are 1–1.5 million Israelis who think differently than you.

They are just as Zionist, just as much part of the people, and they will keep voting.
You must respect that — even if you try to persuade them.

Respect means: no disqualification, no boycotts — learn to work together.
[...continues in same spirit...]
In summary:

The opposite of tribalism is unity.
Not unity of identical thinking — but unity of disagreement with cooperation.
Unity is not a luxury — it’s a condition for survival.

And that’s exactly what Israel needs now: national unity.

We must demand it from politicians.
Sit in one room, reach broad agreements, form a broad unity government, and implement widely agreed policies.
Israel doesn’t need a band-aid — it needs deep root treatment for tribalism.

A treatment that heals us, stops the bleeding, and allows us to begin a new chapter after this long, difficult war — the defining event of our generation.
It’s time to heal.

And if you connected to the message — you know what to do: like, comment, and share 🙏 "

Edited 1 hour ago by Nivsch