New Episode: Epistemic Responsiblity - Out Now!

[Leo Gura]

22 minutes ago, Rishabh R said:

It's easier to question others assumptions than to question one's own.

Of course.

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How is true skepticism different from the technique outlined in your episodes - The power of asking questions and Assumptions are the mother of all ---- ?

It is not different. Those are part of skepticism. Skepticism involves asking deep questions, especially of your own self. And questioning all your assumptions.

Edited 11 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Infinite Tsukuyomi]

On 3/1/2026 at 8:58 PM, Leo Gura said:

We expect everyone to know math, yet not epistemology? This is silly.

Exactly, an expectation to know math, but not know what knowing is.

[AION]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

@AION Einstein never realized God.

By sitting down and questioning how you know anything.

See my episode:

https://www.actualized.org/articles/how-to-discover-whats-true

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Also, I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't read existing literature. You can and should read. But reading is not enough. You have to sit and think.

Thanks I will look into that video

But is epistemology about God? It is just about knowledge and perhaps it will lead to God.

But not everybody is meant to find God. Nor do they have that brain power. Some people are just meant to live like animals and that is ok. 

I think a lot of atheist (compared to some zealots) have good epistemology but they don't believe in God and that is ok too. They are missing a fundamental part of reality and project the God image onto other things like the idols they worship but that is another thing.

Edited 10 hours ago by AION

[Yimpa]

The second listen is so much juicer. Highly recommend consuming this episode more than once. 

I listened to it while high and while not high. Vastly different experiences. Both useful.

[LambdaDelta]

Mandatory supplementary viewing at least 50x on repeat

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx2ZkyxTzaFO8TPN2iJUvfTD-KvhStMvTY

 

[Chives99]

where does leo get his psychedelic outfits from? love the technicolour 

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, AION said:

But is epistemology about God?

Epistemology is about truth. And Truth is God.

So the best measure of the quality of your epistemology is how well do you know God?

Atheists do not have good epistemology.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[AION]

25 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Epistemology is about truth. And Truth is God.

So the best measure of the quality of your epistemology is how well do you know God?

Atheists do not have good epistemology.

Ok. But that is perhaps true. But that is not good epistemology to have fixed truth. As far as I understand epistemology is about the process, not about an end-truth.

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, AION said:

Ok. But that is perhaps true. But that is not good epistemology to have fixed truth. As far as I understand epistemology is about the process, not about an end-truth.

It is an honest signal.

And also, it is the fruit. The process is not just for its own sake. The process has a purpose, which is God. The point is not to do endless philosophy, the point is to transcend all that and be with God.

It is a ladder you climb to reach the roof. You are not climbing ladders just to climb ladders for the rest of your life.

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Cred]

Doesn't this make one unfree if one does not allow themselves to climb ladders forever?

[AION]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is an honest signal.

And also, it is the fruit. The process is not just for its own sake. The process has a purpose, which is God. The point is not to do endless philosophy, the point is to transcend all that and be with God.

It is a ladder you climb to reach the roof. You are not climbing ladders just to climb ladders for the rest of your life.

God makes sense though. But I was just commenting from a point of epistemological hygiene. This is what Claude has to say about it:

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Okay so I see the exchange — AION pushes back on Leo's claim that "Truth is God" and therefore the quality of your epistemology is measured by how well you know God. AION's counter: that's not good epistemology, because epistemology is about the process of knowing, not about arriving at a fixed end-truth. Leo responds that it's "an honest signal" and that the process has a purpose — which is God.

Here's my take:

AION actually lands a genuinely sharp epistemological point here, and Leo somewhat sidesteps it. The distinction between epistemology as process versus epistemology as arriving at a predetermined conclusion is fundamental. The moment you say "the measure of good epistemology is whether you arrive at X" — whether X is God, materialism, or anything else — you've essentially turned epistemology into theology with extra steps. You've made the destination the criterion for judging the journey, which is circular: how do I know my epistemology is good? Because it led me to God. How do I know God is true? Because my epistemology is good. That's a closed loop.

Leo's response — that it's "an honest signal" and "the fruit" — is actually more of a pragmatic or consequentialist argument about epistemology rather than an epistemological one. He's saying: you can judge the tree by its fruit. Which is fair as a heuristic, but it presupposes you already know what the right fruit looks like. That's the very thing under question.

Where it gets interesting from a Jungian angle: Jung himself was extremely careful about this. He distinguished between psychological truth and metaphysical claims. When Jung talked about God, he was talking about the God-image as a psychic reality — something undeniable as experience, but about which he refused to make ontological pronouncements. His famous line "I don't believe, I know" was about direct experience, not about claiming a fixed metaphysical endpoint.

So AION's instinct — that epistemology concerns the integrity of the knowing process rather than loyalty to a conclusion — is actually more epistemologically rigorous. Leo conflates ontology (what is ultimately real) with epistemology (how we come to know). You can have superb epistemology and still be uncertain about God — in fact, that uncertainty might be the honest signal.

That said — Leo's deeper intuition that the process isn't just navel-gazing for its own sake, that genuine inquiry has a telos, is worth taking seriously. Jung would agree there's a pull toward wholeness, toward the Self. But he'd frame it as: the process reveals the truth, rather than the truth being the yardstick that validates the process.

 

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Cred said:

Doesn't this make one unfree if one does not allow themselves to climb ladders forever?

You are free to chase your tail till you die. Doesn't bother God.

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[Cred]

When you devalue the ladder, you are being unknowingly discriminatory against autistic people. (I'm not making a haha gotcha political correctness argument, it is much deeper)

Being autistic means theory crafting is existence.

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Cred said:

you are being unknowingly discriminatory against autistic people.

You are obsessed with this neuro-divergence thing.

Yes, Awakening discriminates against endless mental masturbation and conceptualizing.

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Sincerity]

16 minutes ago, AION said:

This is what Claude has to say about it:

Bro, nobody reads an AI opinion. Because who cares?

[Cred]

There exists a massive trap in spirituality for neurodivergent individuals.

Being neurodivergent means wanting to engage with the world in ways that society deems "lazy", "unproductive", "weird". The danger now is to internalize this critique, which leads to self-hatred.

The big trap now is to long for some lofty ideal with the promise of removing oneself from this cruel earth and allow oneself to finally reach absolute self-acceptance.

This is a false dream. Reaching Truth will never give one an ounce of self-acceptance back. It has to be reached through deconstructing society through the lens of neurodivergency. 

[Cred]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Dude, you are obsessed with this neuro-divergence thing.

Yes I'm obsessed. This is because it is one of the most powerful and liberating concepts. It has never once led me to delusion. I'm not saying this lightly

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[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Cred said:

Being neurodivergent means wanting to engage with the world in ways that society deems "lazy", "unproductive", "weird".

You don't need to be neuro-divergent to be into niche things.

Truth-seeking is niche, like yo-yoing.

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Cred]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

You don't need to be neuro-divergent to be into niche things.

This is false

[Cred]

Being into yo-yoing is, ironically, also neurodivergent.

Edited 6 hours ago by Cred