Will be dosing 5-MeO-DMT for the first time tomorrow

[psychedelaholic]

I'll be dosing 5-MeO-DMT for the first time tomorrow. I've experienced practically every other notable psychedelic, even more obscure rare chemicals, 5-MeO is the odd one out. I was sitting in my apartment a couple days ago and a switch just flipped, I thought why not and I ordered it immediately, got delivered yesterday. I've known about 5-MeO since 2017, just never got around to doing it for one reason or another.

These things tend to work themselves out though, when it's time it's time. Over the last 2-3 months my baseline level of consciousness has been steadily increasing with the work I've been doing. I've had many, many trips on LSD, 4-AcO-DMT/Psilocybin, NN-DMT, 5-MeO-MiPT, MET, 4-HO-MET, AL-LAD, Aleph-1... to make an exhaustive list. Though my DOC has always been LSD, I'll always love LSD but I feel I've all but drawn out what value it has for my spiritual development. I can function on 200μg~ as though it's a glass of wine at dinner, lol. Not that I drink alcohol.

If I were to take LSD now, I'd enjoy the experience but it wouldn't be mind melting or earth shattering. Sometimes that's what I'd prefer, no need to push the pedal to the floor every single time. Lately though I feel like I truly want to see exactly how much of the self I have left to lose. I would say in the context of my day to day awareness, I'm consistently identified with the experience of being, and I engage with the ego from there, rarely becoming entangled in it. I can visualize the unity of consciousness, reality, and God with clarity, nothing external, all is interdependent. I've been imagining what 5-MeO might be like based on all of my experiences and what I've heard about it, so I suppose I'll find out over the next while how enlightened I actually am. The thought of the self being entirely dissolved for 20-60 minutes, without having to contend with strong visuals while remaining lucid is the most attractive aspect of 5-MeO to me. This in theory would make it one of if not the highest value psychedelic experiences, with the lowest investment required to gain benefit from it. I guess what one gets out 5-MeO depends on their willingness to let go and succumb to it. I don't imagine having issues with this, which is why it has me excited.

I can remember the days following my first time smoking DMT, it blew my conception of reality so far outside of what I imagined possible, that it would never be the same again. If an otherworldly state of consciousness of that magnitude is available to be experienced, it makes it impossible to conceive of consciousness as anything other than infinite. I'm hoping to have experiences on 5-MeO-DMT that go beyond anything I've experienced thus far.

I'll post my impressions of the trip in this thread tomorrow, o7.

Edited 8 hours ago by psychedelaholic

[Leo Gura]

It's quite similar to 5-MeO-MIPT. If you did that, you will be fine.

Of course each trips goes deeper than the last.

[psychedelaholic]

20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's quite similar to 5-MeO-MIPT. If you did that, you will be fine.

Interesting, it surprises me that you say it's similar. I did 5-MeO-MiPT quite a number of times, although I only dosed it orally, never smoked it. 

It was too long ago to recall the exact doses I was taking, but I remember it having a considerable body load, enhanced sensory/tactility, sort of as if it's a tryptamine putting on an impression of MDMA. Visually it had quite a lot of character; warm colours, fairly mild breathing, warping and drifting with round/angular uniformity that doesn't feel overly synthetic. The visual field itself was quite bright, not bright in the way intense geometry appears as though you could be swallowed by it. More like there is a very bright internal light illuminating the whole of consciousness. I don't know if that makes sense. That's how I'm more or less picturing 5-MeO-DMT to be, in that the consciousness itself is what is increasing in intensity, secondary to the visual component. I have an overactive occipital lobe/hyperphantasia so the intensity at which I experience visuals is far greater than what is typical.

I am now more curious, I'm waiting on oral syringes to be delivered as I'm not a fan of snorting anything these days. 5-MeO-DMT seems like a uniquely versatile substance, having little to no tolerance as with NN-DMT. I feel like the lack of a lengthy tolerance between uses is more applicable because DMT is so visually overwhelming, I don't think I've ever finished a DMT trip and said "I want to go again". If I tolerate 5-MeO-DMT well, I am interested in re-dosing it to spend more than an hour in the experience.

[Leo Gura]

It will have less visuals, less body feel, less tactility, less eroticism, less color.

It will be like a more clinical and sober version of 5-MeO-MIPT. But insane clarity. Impossible clarity.

DMT is more scary because it is too twisted and alien. 5-MeO is more simple and pure. It doesn't have a bunch of wacky shit going on. It's just a direct 1000-fold increase in consciousness.

Although at high enough dose you will shit your pants. So ramp up gradually.

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura

[psychedelaholic]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It will have less visuals, less body feel, less tactility.

It will be like a more clinical and sober version of 5-MeO-MIPT. But insane clarity. Impossible clarity.

These are all things I desire more and more out of a psychedelic as I'm getting a bit older. It's novel to be pulled in all directions at the whim of the experience. Spend enough trips like that and impossible clarity starts to sound like an all inclusive retreat.

I intend to dose around 20mg HCL.

Edited 5 hours ago by psychedelaholic

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, psychedelaholic said:

I intend to dose around 20mg HCL.

That is reasonable.

15mg would be a more comfortable place to start.

Edited 5 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Joseph Maynor]

This you said will be interesting to get your reaction to "The thought of the self being entirely dissolved for 20-60 minutes".  

[psychedelaholic]

36 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That is reasonable, but it will be intense.

15mg would be a more comfortable place to start.

I would like to think that I know what I'm singing up for, that may be naïve of me to say.

I have a pretty good idea of my limits, my mind is resilient in that I'm able to tolerate extreme states of consciousness without dropping my spaghetti.

I've tripped between 80-100 times, some of those have been harrowing experiences, so if shit hits the fan I've learned to let it fly.

I definitely want an intense experience, and I'm comfortable with being uncomfortable, that edge is where I get the most out of psychedelics. 

I was thinking I might split the difference a little and take 18mg, but at that point + or - 2mg is not going to be night and day.

Due to my hyperphantasia, in high doses of more visual psychedelics, I'll black out into obe/visions in minds eye, losing touch with my immediate surroundings, which can be disorienting. If my lucidity in that respect is guaranteed on 5-MeO-DMT, I'm confident in starting a bit higher.

Edited 5 hours ago by psychedelaholic

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, psychedelaholic said:

I've tripped between 80-100 times,

You will be fine. I'm not worried bout you at all. Just don't jump out of any windows.

Edited 5 hours ago by Leo Gura